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Old 12.03.2011, 20:22
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The food industry is big industry. It is bg industry in Switzerland as much as anywhere else. I found a wonderful Milka Ad., but can't find any film of the highly mechanized process production line at the Milka factory. I did find one for cadbury creme eggs. I thought that Switzerland would be proud to show off it's chaocoalte production line. Perhaps they don't want to den the alpmilch fantasy. Although I must say I love genuine all natural Alpmilch!



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I agree with the principle of support higher standards, but as for the "prepackaged rubbish", it is exactly the same "pre-packaged rubbish" sold Coop and Migros. Also, the meat cuts do not satisfy me and the vegetables suck.

The packaged meat cuts are not always what one wants, I agree, but if one goes to the counter, it is usually possible to get them cut according to one's preferences.

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OK so what you're saying is true for expatriates, not for Swiss people. I think there are relatively few "Swiss plates" in Germany over the weekend and those that are probably live in Basel. It has been my experience that Swiss people assess quality by price, have intense scepticism about what might be going on in the next valley/canton/country, and generally don't look for a bargain. This doesn't mean they're rich, but just have a different mentality. For example, an expat might say "right, I need a car, so I'll import it from Denmark, insure it under a British deal and fix it in France. Go on Ricardo to find winter tyres etc. If a Swiss person can't walk into his nearest dealership and purchase a car at sticker price, he can't afford a car and will take a tram.
No, the shopping places over in Waldshut/Tiengen, Jestetten, Singen, Konstanz and Bregenz/OE+Lindau/D depend on CH customers, and their parking spaces are full with CH-cars. Swiss customers are looking for a bargain all the time, but if they see in Aldi on a shelf "Oesterreichischer Emmentaler" they will take a 5 meter distance as if pest, cholera and the plague had broken out (personal observation). To import a car privately is horror, "thanks" to the Strassenverkehrsamt whose folks are quite determined to make live miserable to private importers. You mention www.ricardo.ch. Ever considered why this platform is as important now as it is ?
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Old 12.03.2011, 20:34
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Yeah, agree! shame on the "swiss quality" concept. Swissy like it this way, no explaination. Swiss market is locked, thanks to the people party and likewise smart guys.
The explanation is that your explanation is wrong. The Swiss market is open, possibly more than most markets here on the continent, because most markets are near to the border. Swiss people like quality but do not like the high prices. This for a long time (back into the 1880ies ---1 8 8 0 --- ) was and is the reason for people nicely into Switzerland (some 40kms) to go shopping accross the border. It of course for ages also was the reason for Germans to go accross the border into CH to purchase things more expensive in Germany.

And while I detest the SVP to make them responsible for market developments is complete rubbish. They profit of some developments, but to charge them with everything is rubbish.
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That was true in the past, not anymore. You'll be surprised at the amount of Swiss who shops at Marktkauf. The garage's owner in Weil Am Rhein has most of his customers from Switzerland (not foreigners, swiss people). Same thing for McDo accross the border or Downtown of Lorrach.

Things are changing, maybe Switzerland will survive but it doesn't change the fact that people are getting more out of their place to get things at better price.

If price were more affordables and more competitives it would be more profitable for the population here.
"True in the past" ? YES, if "Economisto" is a Methusalem of age 150 ! But it already was wrong in the first and third decade of the 20th Century and even more so up from 1958 (start of free trade in Europe, end of the clearing system).

If I remember correctly, Economisto is less than a THIRD of the age required above
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Old 12.03.2011, 20:45
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"True in the past" ? YES, if "Economisto" is a Methusalem of age 150 ! But it already was wrong in the first and third decade of the 20th Century and even more so up from 1958 (start of free trade in Europe, end of the clearing system).

If I remember correctly, Economisto is less than a THIRD of the age required above
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This is really the crux of the matter, isn't it? People consider the prices here high, but wages are as well. I believe the average wage in Germany is around 60% of what it is in Switzerland, no? And they have higher taxes as well.

The Swiss economy seems to be functioning pretty well, barely having been touched by the recession a while back, so I think that for the most part prices must be in line with incomes. You'll always see the outlier, and some people will be inclined to shop abroad to save, but it's certainly not the majority, or even a significant minority, I think.




Guess you should be a businesswoman, since you see so much clearer than the various shop owners around. Seriously though, Nil - the economy has prospered this way for decades, and Germany hasn't moved any closer to Zürich than it was 50 years ago. I don't see a problem at the moment.
A) the CH economy has worked and is working well not in spite of but thanks of the nearby foreign markets !
B) Germany has not moved closer to Zurich in the past 50 years, but Zurich with its outer suburbs has moved up to the German border in the past 50 years
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We live in a country where we earn more than in the surrounding countries. As such, one must assume that other people, such as employees of the Coop, Migros and others further down the supply chain, also earn more. It stands to reason then that prices will be higher than across the border.

If we would all shop across the border, we would not be able to maintain the standard of food we are blessed with here. Of course, one can buy the same prepacked rubbish here that one also gets in France, Germany, Austria or Italy, but when it comes to fresh vegetables, meat etc, I prefer the produce and choice in Switzerland.

I am happy buying food at the Coop (the one at Volkiland is great). The shopping experience is good: wide aisles, things properly displayed and polite staff. I am also happy to know that the staff at the Coop are paid properly and have very good working conditions. So if I have to pay a little more sometimes for this, that is ok - at least people that work there can also live at a normal level and do not end up as "working poor", a phenomenon that we see in Germany, for example...

I also avoid Aldi and co. in Switzerland, for those same reasons.
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The swiss woman who works at Migros, does she earn 4 times the money the german woman earn in an equivalent store?

I hope so, otherwise I don't see how the swiss woman who work at Migros can afford to fix her car here.... Because from 1000 chf down to 240 chf.... this is more than 4 times the price for the same service...
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Old 12.03.2011, 21:00
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Yes i agree it does taste better ... the Swiss cows eat Swiss grass, grown by a Swiss farmer in Switzerland, the Swiss farmer eats food that is purely Swiss, he has a Swiss wife and family, a Swiss work ethic and drives a Swiss version Volvo, the sh*t from his Swiss cows is used as manure on his Swiss vegetable garden, which produces great Swiss vegetables ...and there is no way in the world that farmer would shop at Denner

..that why the milk tastes better.
"Swiss milk" is better of course if you compare the milk you get from an individual Swiss farmer with milk you get from a German foodstuff-giant but is absolutely the same if you purchase the milk from a German individual farmer.

Mr Schwery, the man who drove Denner up from the fairly conservative NO-selfservice retailer it was to the modern discounter recently bought up by Migros, was as Swiss as anyone can be
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One question:

The swiss woman who works at Migros, does she earn 4 times the money the german woman earn in an equivalent store?

I hope so, otherwise I don't see how the swiss woman who work at Migros can afford to fix her car here.... Because from 1000 chf down to 240 chf.... this is more than 4 times the price for the same service...
I was talking about the Coop, not the Migros - I understand that the Coop pays better salaries
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I was talking about the Coop, not the Migros - I understand that the Coop pays better salaries
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Potatoes- Patatoes....
not the same thing - different work culture, different approach overall. Like comparing Credit Suisse with the UBS, or Roche with Novartis...does not make sense
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not the same thing - different work culture, different approach overall. Like comparing Credit Suisse with the UBS, or Roche with Novartis...does not make sense
The salary range is the same. It doesn't change an answer for my question. Migros employee doesn't earn 20 000 chf less for the same job at Coop... You are cutting the hair in four and try to put it back in.
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One question:

The swiss woman who works at Migros, does she earn 4 times the money the german woman earn in an equivalent store?

I hope so, otherwise I don't see how the swiss woman who work at Migros can afford to fix her car here.... Because from 1000 chf down to 240 chf.... this is more than 4 times the price for the same service...
A good Swiss does not drive a car, I didn't see the need for a car when in Switzerland. I cycle, walk, used trains and buses. If I return and am on my own I never hire a car. Even traveling with the kids, holidaying and working, I prefer the train. My husband is the car person.
A car to me is unneccessary expense in Switzerland and a pollutant. In any case employee salaries are not the only expense- there is the price of materials, services, insurance, rent...... Why complain just about the garage,why not complain about the cost of insurance or rent- all of which are much cheaper in Germany, but then so are the salaries.

One thing that I did find expensive was nice writing materials and Caran D'ache pencils, but then they are really nice! Some things in Switzerland are just so nice they make you want them!

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A good Swiss does not drive a car, I didn't see the need for a car when in Switzerland. I cycle, walk, used trains and buses. If I return and am on my own I never hire a car. Even traveling with the kids, holidaying and working, I prefer the train. My husband is the car person.
So all the cars in the country are owned by foreigners and bad swiss? All my neighbours have a car or two.... In town!
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The salary range is the same. It doesn't change an answer for my question. Migros employee doesn't earn 20 000 chf less for the same job at Coop... You are cutting the hair in four and try to put it back in.
How do you know?

And your comparison regarding getting a car repaired is a bit silly - you ought to compare across the board: tax, cost of fuel, food, household goods etc. etc.
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How do you know?

And your comparison regarding getting a car repaired is a bit silly - you ought to compare across the board: tax, cost of fuel, food, household goods etc. etc.
You didn't come with any clever answers yourself, so why don't you bring facts instead of not answering the questions?

And how my comparison with the cars repaired is silly to you? Come up with a real answer instead to spin around.
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So all the cars in the country are owned by foreigners and bad swiss? All my neighbours have a car or two.... In town!
Well I did say 'Good Swiss'.

Dump the car I say- it's mostly a male ego thing.

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There’s more and more traffic on the roads but 600,000 households or one million people in Switzerland still don’t have a car. Some simply can’t afford one. About a third deliberately choose not to have one. Some groups are calling for financial incentives such as subsidies for public transport for people who don’t have a car.
http://www.worldradio.ch/wrs/news/sw...rs.shtml?12328
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