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I can absolutely see the arguments that you may wish to support Swiss agriculture and business by shopping locally and paying a higher price (because you have an relatively higher salary).

However, one thing I notice a here in the Basel region is that a lot of the people working in Co-op and Migros are actually French and in general frontaliers are paid less than their Swiss equivalents, although presumably more than they would be in France, hence working in CH is still attractive (I learn this from various folk involved in recruitment here).
So Coigros might well want their consumers to support Swiss industry and workers, and willingly pay a higher price, but they don't necessarily always do so themselves, at least in regions where it's fairly easy to draught in some cheaper foreigners.

Me? When I'm here I go to Germany, better prices, nicer service. I try to buy bio, which doesn't attract quite such a premium over the border - I don't believe that Swiss welfare standards are universally better - factory farms exist for sure in BL. Sure, if you see the chucks clucking in the yard or the piggies snuffling in their pens in your local farm, then fine and I buy fresh stuff from the farm. In the mountains I buy from the local shops, as, quite frankly, if some one's going to drag food all that way, then I'll give them my support.
For cheese, duck products and patisserie I go to France.

I do appreciate living in an area with so much choice.
I do NOT know whether you know what you are saying ???? If anybody pays less to people from the Alsace than to locals it would not only be possibly in contradiction to the agreements with the trades unions, quite clearly so, but it would be a criminal offence against the law !

German welfare standards are universally far better than in Switzerland. In Germany, healthcare is free of charge while it is not so in Switzerland. So that I fail to see your argument at all ! If prices in some sectors, most sectors of course, offer lower prices in Germany than in Switzerland, it has nothing to do with this , but with the point that German giants have a far heavier purchasing power to press on prices on world markets than Swiss companies have.

I do not live in Basel, and so, to go shopping in the Alsace means a total travel expense of some CHF 100.--, and such is not making sense just for a cake and a bottle of wine.

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Old 13.03.2011, 02:37
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

You can benefit yourself when you are close to the border.... When you are more than 40 minutes away is quite difficult to apply the concept. Time and prices are not in your favor.... Only works for something that can cost quite much and that is not "visible" for the customs.
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

Personally, I work and live here, so i spend my money here.

Yes, it's expensive. So what

I earn nowhere near 100,000 chf but I love to hear those that do, moan.

The Swiss market will be standing tall long after the complaining stops and the so called Forum Legends are long gone.
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German welfare standards are universally far better than in Switzerland. In Germany, healthcare is free of charge while it is not so in Switzerland. So that I fail to see your argument at all ! If prices in some sectors, most sectors of course, offer lower prices in Germany than in Switzerland, it has nothing to do with this , but with the point that German giants have a far heavier purchasing power to press on prices on world markets than Swiss companies have. snip..
Perhaps I wasn't clear - I meant animal welfare standards, as that is a reason why meat/milk/eggs might be cheaper from one place to another.

I don't think anybody would suggest popping over the border for a bit of shopping if you live 100km away - that would be daft. When you live just 10 minutes from the nearest German or French shopping it makes sense.
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Re: When your prices kill your own market.

ha ha ha ! spot on
All those chemicals make the meat tender I bought a "joint" of "beef" last week , cooked it for ages. Leather does not even come near to describing it. Totally inedible. Even my 2 dogs struggled with it.....


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Certainly not having to cook it for 12 hours in my slow cooker in order to make it easier to chew.
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In the UK, meat is much better 'hung' and for longer, especially if you go to a good butcher. I salivate just to think of a good properly hung rib of beef on the bone (21-28 days). Ex-pats in France also complain bitterly that the meat is not hung properly and therefore chewy and tough. I have a Welsh friend who has a farm there rearing Charolais- and although her meat is top notch- the abatoir will not allow her to hang it for long enough.
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Perhaps I wasn't clear - I meant animal welfare standards, as that is a reason why meat/milk/eggs might be cheaper from one place to another.

I don't think anybody would suggest popping over the border for a bit of shopping if you live 100km away - that would be daft. When you live just 10 minutes from the nearest German or French shopping it makes sense.

Animal welfare standards in Germany are not so different from the ones in Switzerland. What you however have to see is that if a German company buys 20 tons of something and the comparable Swiss company 2 tons of the same stuff, it is fairly obvious who gets the better rebate !
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Since not everyone own a 120 000 chf annual salary here in Switzerland, and since the price for everything is so high, I was wondering how this can help or affect Switzerland's population in general...

Since our move here, I got the feeling and came to the conclusion that having to spend so much for a product you can buy half the price the other side of the border doesn't help the country but it push people to do so.

The amount of Swiss plates in Germany all the week and especially during the weekend shows it very well.

Today, we had to bring the car to the garage. Hubby went to the neighbourhood one to ask how much would cost those few things to fix. They told us 1000 chf.

He went to Weil Am Rhein and asked the same thing there: 240 Chf.

Which one do you think we will choose to fix our car?

Now let me ask you something, is the job would be different? Nope. Is the service will be better with the swiss price? Nope. So why someone would one to support a system that charge you 3 times the price of the guy next door? If we were living on millions, I wouldn't care. But sadly, we aren't.

Wouldn't be in the best interest of the population of Switzerland to be more competitive with his neightbours to provide them more work and more $$$?

Because even among the Swiss population, so many go to the other side of the border for grocery shopping, cars, household items, restaurants, etc.

If the prices were cheaper here, they would keep the money here which would be more money in everybody's pocket.

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this question is easily answered: take your lovely hubby, let him look out for a job in germany, weil am rhein and see how far the german tax system will make him happy. spending 49% on tax of his income to the government plus a 1000 extra costs?!yes, the 240 chf car fix is nothing for you now, but many people earn something around 1000 euro net in germany, if they have a job. so on overall this car fixing is as expensive for them as for you if youd let it be done in CH.
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In the UK, meat is much better 'hung' and for longer, especially if you go to a good butcher. I salivate just to think of a good properly hung rib of beef on the bone (21-28 days). Ex-pats in France also complain bitterly that the meat is not hung properly and therefore chewy and tough. I have a Welsh friend who has a farm there rearing Charolais- and although her meat is top notch- the abatoir will not allow her to hang it for long enough.
When I was little my family used to hang pheasants in the larder almost to the point of maggots- the smell was rank, but I remember it tasting really good!
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im glad i havent read all the other pages... mods, when do you close the thread? discussion about prices...yawn...ignore.
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German welfare standards are universally far better than in Switzerland. In Germany, healthcare is free of charge while it is not so in Switzerland.
Healthcare is not 'free' in Germany. It's just that the insurance premium is deducted from the income for most people. AFAIK they even have a deductible these days.
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Healthcare is not 'free' in Germany. It's just that the insurance premium is deducted from the income for most people. AFAIK they even have a deductible these days.
When my mother on a trip to the Mosel got ill, she got treatment locally and it was FREE. Of course, the German taxpayers have to pay for that service just as in other places where healthcare is "free of charge".

No, there is NOT "insurance premium deducted...." but that healthcare is paid by the taxpayer. The man who told my mother was the local doctor and to all appearance a good one ...
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What about the garage who do the same job, have the same pieces but charge 4 times the price?
Then you are going to the wrong garage.

My local guy does work exactly as I estimate it myself (I used to fix cars way back when I was a student), and Swiss labor rates are not more than the US (I am on various motorcycle sites, and I know that people in the US pay the same or more for the same service).

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When my mother on a trip to the Mosel got ill, she got treatment locally and it was FREE. Of course, the German taxpayers have to pay for that service just as in other places where healthcare is "free of charge".

No, there is NOT "insurance premium deducted...." but that healthcare is paid by the taxpayer. The man who told my mother was the local doctor and to all appearance a good one ...
yeah, but did you speak with the personel working there? what they get paid, doctors? their work hours? do you know what extra costs you have if in hospital and after? meds? its a rip off! 15% of your income is for healthcare and goes from your salary of which the employer has to pay the same amount! so if you have lets say 2500 euro gross, the employer pays 15% plus you do which is in this case roughly 150 euro, in total 300 euro plus all extra costs (that get more and more as insurances run out of money and cover less for the same %age of payment!!!). its crap and thats why many arent satisfied with our government and live here now.

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yeah, but did you speak with the personel working there? what they get paid, doctors? their work hours? do you know what extra costs you have if in hospital and after? meds? its a rip off! 15% of your income is for healthcare and goes from your salary of which the employer has to pay the same amount! so if you have lets say 2500 euro gross, the employer pays 15% plus you do which is in this case roughly 150 euro, in total 300 euro plus all extra costs (that get more and more as insurances run out of money and cover less for the same %age of payment!!!). its crap and thats why many arent satisfied with our government and live here now.
I have tears in my eyes. I was skiing in St. Moritz last week and met quite some Germans who were able to survive in the hostile environment Germany is. Some seemed to be in medical professions and STILL can afford a vacation in Switzerland.

Yes, the living conditions for uneployed and low qualified people are much worse there than here. They are everywhere on the planet worse than in Switzerland. Yes, the taxes are higher. Same is true for most of the world. Yes, junior doctors in hospitals work long hours and are underpaid. Everyone who studies medicine knows it - it is your choice and nobody forces you to stay in Germany. Your German medical education is well accepted abroad...

Honestly: No matter how much some of the Zurich-German expats claim it to be: Germany is not a third world country (exceptions in the East and Berlin apply)

Nil is living in a soon-to-be two child family with one income: They would not pay 49% tax, they would pay so much less for childcare, housing... the bill is not that simple and for her individual situation do I believe that they would not at all live worse in Germany than in Basel. My wife and I are on the other hand "DINK"s and we do very well benefit from the Swiss system compared to Germany.

On the prices: Consider them an "idiot tax" and shop smartly. For those comments on "only Basel people shop in Germany": Go to Waldshut on a Saturday once and enjoy the show. Do not try to go to Konstanz on August 1st - there are absolutely no parking places left then. Swiss people - yes, including the posh Zurich crowd - are increasingly getting aware of the fact that they are taken for a ride for everything they buy. There are by now so many buying their expensive designer funriture across the border that Zurich's furniture shops have "Euro-Aktion: Preise wie in Deutschland"... so Switzerland is slowly waking up.
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I have tears in my eyes. I was skiing in St. Moritz last week and met quite some Germans who were able to survive in the hostile environment Germany is. Some seemed to be in medical professions and STILL can afford a vacation in Switzerland.

Yes, the living conditions for uneployed and low qualified people are much worse there than here. They are everywhere on the planet worse than in Switzerland. Yes, the taxes are higher. Same is true for most of the world. Yes, junior doctors in hospitals work long hours and are underpaid. Everyone who studies medicine knows it - it is your choice and nobody forces you to stay in Germany. Your German medical education is well accepted abroad...

Honestly: No matter how much some of the Zurich-German expats claim it to be: Germany is not a third world country (exceptions in the East and Berlin apply)

Nil is living in a soon-to-be two child family with one income: They would not pay 49% tax, they would pay so much less for childcare, housing... the bill is not that simple and for her individual situation do I believe that they would not at all live worse in Germany than in Basel. My wife and I are on the other hand "DINK"s and we do very well benefit from the Swiss system compared to Germany.

On the prices: Consider them an "idiot tax" and shop smartly. For those comments on "only Basel people shop in Germany": Go to Waldshut on a Saturday once and enjoy the show. Do not try to go to Konstanz on August 1st - there are absolutely no parking places left then. Swiss people - yes, including the posh Zurich crowd - are increasingly getting aware of the fact that they are taken for a ride for everything they buy. There are by now so many buying their expensive designer funriture across the border that Zurich's furniture shops have "Euro-Aktion: Preise wie in Deutschland"... so Switzerland is slowly waking up.
It might be something to do with the newfound relative strength of the swiss franc
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lol no, I didn't say that Switzerland has better quality products. I said that Swiss people assess quality by price. In other words, if a product costs a lot, a Swiss person assumes it must be good. It's why Swiss people don't shop in Denner.
That is my experience. When I just arrived to Switzerland I was told by the Swiss not to shop food in Denner because of poor quality. It was meant to be okay to buy alcohol and washing stuff, but no food and certainly not vegetables nor something that that wasn't in closed packs.
And I have to admit, I rarely go there In fact, I mostly do shop in Coop and Migros, but then again, I am single and tend to eat light in the evenings so there isn't much I shop anyway. Even though I can easily bike to France or Germany for shopping, it just seams too much of a hassel just for one liter of milk and a loaf of bread.

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Um, have you ever been to America? We put little flags with "made in America" on products to signify that they're "better" somehow than the cheaper Chinese alternatives. It really made more of a difference a decade or two ago, but in any case, it's certainly not a Swiss phenomenon.
This is also the case in my country and I can see a lot in common mentality with Switzerland and my country. It's the small country way of thinking, the small country that often feel a little threatened by their big neighbours. They want to support goods that are produced in their own country, just to support local industry and provide jobs to their countrymen. Be it 50% more expensive!
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This is also the case in my country and I can see a lot in common mentality with Switzerland and my country. It's the small country way of thinking, the small country that often feel a little threatened by their big neighbours. They want to support goods that are produced in their own country, just to support local industry and provide jobs to their countrymen. Be it 50% more expensive!
Not in the UK - weirdly for an island nation, there's a massive scepticism about British/English anything. I think if a saw Georges Cross on a loaf of bread I'd assume that bread didn't like immigrants
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Aren't you meant to pay them on the way in again?
Not if you're lucky as I was a couple of weeks ago.

I recently ordered a custom made piano bench from a shop in Germany just across the border. It cost 490CHF (approx 380 EUR) to do it here, and just 240 Euros there including the German tax. We didnt get checked when we came back into Switzerland, even though I went to the tax office to get the necessary stamps etc - needless to say, I was so chuffed.

I had a chat with the shop owner and out of curiousity, I asked about the price of my current piano in his shop. I really shouldnt because it was half of what I got it from Jecklin for and even with importing into Switzerland, the price wouldnt be what I've paid for here. Should have seen my face and my husband even told the owner that it might have been kinder if he lied to me.

The shop owner said that the majority (about 80%) of his customers are Swiss. I think if its the same established brand internationally, and if you can get it over the border for a fraction of the price, anyone in their sane mind would make the effort within reason. Having said that, not everyone lives near the border and some of them will have to contend with the standards of living and prices here as it just isnt reasonable to drive such a distance for a bargain, so no - the economy will not be affected despite the massive price differences over the border.
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Not in the UK - weirdly for an island nation, there's a massive scepticism about British/English anything.
I think that's changed in recent years. Certainly with fresh food. There seems to be Union Flags on anything remotely British.

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