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Old 14.03.2011, 10:25
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

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Although, not a direct comparison, I have from time to time people knocking on my door who stuff a hand written piece of paper or card in my face (normally covered in clear plastic or tape, for multi-use) - without a word - (on more than one occasion, they've pointed to their mouth and ears to indicate deaf and dumb - which seems convenient).
They have cards written in German or French, as these people do not know a single word in these languages.

I know the situation first hand, as unfortunately my fellow countrymen sometimes take part in these organized doorstep sales.

This is in fact organized. How this works is that groups of people are brought into the country in minivans (as tourists), given some kind of merchandise (or they bring some own hand-made goods), laminated cards + some kind of accommodation. They are driven between villages daily and going from house to house selling their stuff. The organizers of course get their fair share of business. A trip like this can take anything from a few days up to several weeks, during which time these desperate people earn more money they would otherwise earn in a couple of months at home. Very sad indeed, but I wouldn't say this is easy money.

Then of course are all those people just walking door to door, begging for money and offering nothing in return. Scam in 9 out of 10 cases. Still, many people wouldn't want to deny help to this one person who truly is in need, so it keeps rolling.
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Old 14.03.2011, 10:36
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This is in fact organized. How this works is that groups of people are brought into the country in minivans (as tourists), given some kind of merchandise (or they bring some own hand-made goods), laminated cards + some kind of accommodation. They are driven between villages daily and going from house to house selling their stuff. The organizers of course get their fair share of business. A trip like this can take anything from a few days up to several weeks, during which time these desperate people earn more money they would otherwise earn in a couple of months at home. Very sad indeed, but I wouldn't say this is easy money.
Very much as I suspected.

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....but I wouldn't say this is easy money.
I can vouch that door to door ("legitimate" in my case) isn't easy - it's just a numbers game. If they knock on enough doors they will find the people who let their misplaced conscience get in the way of reality - and it is these people that the door-knockers rely on and prey upon.
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Old 16.03.2011, 03:43
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It's funny you started this thread, because I was just about to start one myself. The exact thing happenend to us - somebody actually opened the garden gate and came in to ask for money. Isn't that illegal?
how scary, what did you do? I was freaking out, my husband with his decease is no help in case the guy tries to rob or something. I just politely say "me no german" and close the door again
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Old 16.03.2011, 03:48
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I don't know how wrong or right I am on that but I have this idea that in Switzerland those in need are getting help from the government and/or organisations. It brings me to think they actually don't need to beg for money. Yes, they don't live on gold and end of months must be very tight close to impossible to reach but they mostly have help when it comes to health care and first needs, no?

In a country like Turkey and the alike, when I see someone begging, I know the chance are higher that they actually need it, because they have no help at all from the governement. But here?

Someone want to educate me if I am wrong?

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You are right, we have that concept about zh and i think is correct, but this guy was looking, and i hold no master degree in recognizing nationalities, turkish/albanish and around. so there is the posibility he is not entitled to get this help due lack of permission. That's what got me thinking.
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Old 16.03.2011, 03:50
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Down my way too..

We had someone come to our door last week selling things because he was handicapped and couldn't work. Hubby asked how much his things were, mostly cleaning supplies, thinking he'd give him CHF 10 and let him keep the item. He wanted CHF 60 for a scrubbing brush
Handycap? well definitely not stupid...
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Old 05.04.2011, 05:29
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

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Those mute folks began popping up all over the place about three years ago, ringing my door bell, bothering me on parking lots, railroad stations, in shopping malls, just about everywhere. I encountered three truly mute persons (i.e. people who never learned how to speak because they were totally deaf) in 60 years, now I'm stumbling across at least one of them per month. Is it the environment, iPods or what?
This is a very well known scam:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/730897.stm

This is a worldwide problem. I've run into these guys in the U.S., in Asia, and almost every country in Europe. If you give these guys money, you're basically helping promote organised crime.
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Last year there was a guy on the S8 in Zurich every Friday (no other day) going around with a photo of his son and telling people that he was ill and in need of an operation. Hewould always board the train at Effretikon and get off at Dietlikon. A couple of times I saw some Swiss people get angry with him and tell him that there was no way the country would not look after his son and basically to get lost!
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Old 05.04.2011, 08:57
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

I had the exact same experience but on a S-Bahn. A lady came in and started handing out leaflets with the exact same story - her child is very sick and needed money for surgery. She even had a picture of the kid - nice try. She came back 10 minutes later with an expectant look on her face, and when I shook my head, she took back the leaflet with a huff.
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

They must work in shifts!
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Old 05.04.2011, 09:38
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

I am always hoping for the moment when the crippled guys "shift" is over and that I can see him walking away without his cane...

I always wonder, though, why they almost never try to make money with something nice; music, entertainment, painting, to earn some money. If they can play, I'll pay!
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

In Stuttgart a beggar was always sitting opposite a bank. One evening a bank employee followed him, he rolled up his mat, walked around the corner and drove away in a new car.

In Switzerland it is illegal to call unannounced selling anything, a permit from the Gewerbe police is needed, and is never given out. Unfortunately the Jehovah's Witnesses never sell anything.
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

I had a knock on the door about 8.30 one evening up here a few weeks back. A young guy with a handwritten card in German saying he was a Polish student and didn't speak German (how can you be a student here without speaking German?). He had some hand made wooden toys to sell, pretty pricey. I told him we didn't have kids and he should try another house further along the track.

10 minutes later the security lights on the side of our house came on and our 2 Rottis went nuts, he was clearly casing the joint (but the sound of 2 excited Rottis would have have meant a massive X against our house). Thinking about it afterwards I thought the whole thing was odd. We are pretty remote, just 3 other houses within 100m and not much else around here and no public transport after 7.30 pm, so he must have come in a car.

There is no way my neighbours (all very conservative farmers) would ever buy some dodgy expensive toys from a Polish kid knocking on the door late at night, it just screamed scam. In fact, he was more likely to be shot by some of them I know!
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