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"Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Yesterdar afternoon somebody rang my bell and normally is my husband that cant open it himself, plus I live in a very old apartment so in order to know who is it and what they want I need to go downstairs and open the door. The point is that it wasnt hubby, but a really weird guy around his 40's asking me for money because his son needed surgery.
Then, If...
a) Insurance is mandatory in switz as I've been told.
b) Kids get magically way more cover than adults.
c) Even if you are illegally living here it gives a special sans papier insurance.

Is it posible that his son is not being covered for that surgery?
Have you ever experience someone knocking your door for money? I have seen people asking for money when I wait for the tram in HB, but never door by door and never because of a life or death situation.

Obviously it sounds like a scam, but I cant stop thinking, what if he really needs it? Is not fair to use kids as a way to get money, it makes me crazy to think I didnt help somebody's kid .

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Re: Help, my kid needs surgery!!

Hm....to be perfectly honest it sound pretty much like a scam. Shrug it off and enjoy your day without worrying about the worries about others.

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Re: Help, my kid needs surgery!!

This is screaming SCAM so just dont worry really
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Old 13.03.2011, 23:11
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Re: Help, my kid needs surgery!!

It sounds like someone is hoping to pull the heart strings and get some easy money.

Don't beat yourself up about it. I'm sure there are more official ways for this person to get the help if it is indeed needed.
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Old 13.03.2011, 23:27
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Re: Help, my kid needs surgery!!

Next they will tell you that your son is stuck somewhere in Libya and urgently needs money to leave the country. It doesn't matter if you have no son or if he is six months old. It's always worth a try.

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Old 13.03.2011, 23:38
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Re: Help, my kid needs surgery!!

Thank you all for your response, I know it sounds totally scammy (not sure is a word) but I still wanted to ask if its in any way posible that the son is not covered by insurance.
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

it sounds like a scam, but as always, may not be. I would always advise never to give money, nor let them into your house etc. I would take their details and offer to call a charitable agency on their behalf.
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Old 14.03.2011, 00:33
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it sounds like a scam, but as always, may not be. I would always advise never to give money, nor let them into your house etc. I would take their details and offer to call a charitable agency on their behalf.
Never crossed my mind, great idea, thank you. Is the best way to find out how much they need the help, if they really need it
thank you so so so so so much!
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Old 14.03.2011, 09:12
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

It's funny you started this thread, because I was just about to start one myself. The exact thing happenend to us - somebody actually opened the garden gate and came in to ask for money. Isn't that illegal?
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Old 14.03.2011, 09:18
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Let's get real here:

if you were a parent and your child needed an operation, would you go round knocking on the doors of complete strangers asking for money? I thought not.

This is a drug addict financing his habit...
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Old 14.03.2011, 09:20
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

I don't know how wrong or right I am on that but I have this idea that in Switzerland those in need are getting help from the government and/or organisations. It brings me to think they actually don't need to beg for money. Yes, they don't live on gold and end of months must be very tight close to impossible to reach but they mostly have help when it comes to health care and first needs, no?

In a country like Turkey and the alike, when I see someone begging, I know the chance are higher that they actually need it, because they have no help at all from the governement. But here?

Someone want to educate me if I am wrong?

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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Down my way too..

We had someone come to our door last week selling things because he was handicapped and couldn't work. Hubby asked how much his things were, mostly cleaning supplies, thinking he'd give him CHF 10 and let him keep the item. He wanted CHF 60 for a scrubbing brush
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

I am pretty sure there are criminal organisatons behind this. The people who are begging don't get much, if any, of the money.
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Down my way too..

We had someone come to our door last week selling things because he was handicapped and couldn't work. Hubby asked how much his things were, mostly cleaning supplies, thinking he'd give him CHF 10 and let him keep the item. He wanted CHF 60 for a scrubbing brush
But it was probably hand made with gold in Switzerland...
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Although, not a direct comparison, I have from time to time people knocking on my door who stuff a hand written piece of paper or card in my face (normally covered in clear plastic or tape, for multi-use) - without a word - (on more than one occasion, they've pointed to their mouth and ears to indicate deaf and dumb - which seems convenient).
This is always written in French (although my village is Deutsch sprache), and eludes to some sob story that requires me (and others) to furnish them with money.
I always reply the same: "Croix Rouge/Rote Kreuz".

I'm not as cynical as I may appear - just a realist; and my (Swiss) wife assures me, that anyone in true need in CH (no matter of origins - I'm pretty sure my door knockers aren't Swiss), would not go wanting, if their need was genuine.

Having worked myself, in the past in a few "unusual" and pressured sale environments, I have a mental image of these unfortunates being brought into CH (or gathered together from those already here), purely to do this as a job of work, paying a percentage to a handler who every day assigns each an area to work and probably drives them to it (I'm out in the countryside).

Whether this scenario is true or not, I can't definitively say, but that's how I can sleep at night.
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Although, not a direct comparison, I have from time to time people knocking on my door who stuff a hand written piece of paper or card in my face (normally covered in clear plastic or tape, for multi-use) - without a word - (on more than one occasion, they've pointed to their mouth and ears to indicate deaf and dumb - which seems convenient).
This is always written in French (although my village is Deutsch sprache), and eludes to some sob story that requires me (and others) to furnish them with money.
I always reply the same: "Croix Rouge/Rote Kreuz".

I'm not as cynical as I may appear - just a realist; and my (Swiss) wife assures me, that anyone in true need in CH (no matter of origins - I'm pretty sure my door knockers aren't Swiss), would not go wanting, if their need was genuine.

Having worked myself, in the past in a few "unusual" and pressured sale environments, I have a mental image of these unfortunates being brought into CH (or gathered together from those already here), purely to do this as a job of work, paying a percentage to a handler who every day assigns each an area to work and probably drives them to it (I'm out in the countryside).

Whether this scenario is true or not, I can't definitively say, but that's how I can sleep at night.

Very true!
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Down my way too..

We had someone come to our door last week selling things because he was handicapped and couldn't work. Hubby asked how much his things were, mostly cleaning supplies, thinking he'd give him CHF 10 and let him keep the item. He wanted CHF 60 for a scrubbing brush
Maybe Betterware has had to go up market to break into new territories.
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Deaf and dumb scam
Had some chap come up to me in a Migros car park. Had a form to sign, collecting money for handicap centre. Had to give name, post code signature and pledge an amount.

I never give hand outs, so thought OK, I'll sign up and they will prob send me a payment form. Turns out the guy then started moaning (playing the mute part) asking for the cash. At which point I said no and crossed my name out.
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Re: "Help, my kid needs surgery!" A scam or a real need?

Those mute folks began popping up all over the place about three years ago, ringing my door bell, bothering me on parking lots, railroad stations, in shopping malls, just about everywhere. I encountered three truly mute persons (i.e. people who never learned how to speak because they were totally deaf) in 60 years, now I'm stumbling across at least one of them per month. Is it the environment, iPods or what?
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