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Carlos R 19.03.2011 13:25

Re: Poll: Where stage are you in ... Living in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141217)
So you would like to think. Frankly, I didn't like how some Swiss members were offended recently, and yet many the offensiveness were defended. Lets see how they like having their self-pitying attitudes pointed out to them.

If I say I hate you, if I say I hate X, Y or Z, then I am not being racist, or inciting others to hatred.

If I say I hate you, if I say I hate X, Y, or Z and we should do A, B, C then that's a different proposition.

Anthony's personal expression/outburst was just that - a personal expression.

Please stop bigging it up to something it isn't/wasn't...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iKcZ3qcCmy...out-racism.jpg

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 1141201)
It's true that EF is in danger of becoming a backwater dominated by a small minority of expats who can't cut it/don't even want to try here and only want to bleat.

How many 1000 expats are out there working hard and loving the experience here??


I can't agree. We're talking about a theme that crops up every once in a while, and in the past couple of days sprouted a couple of runners in addition to the main thread, but compared to the rest of the positive/neutral chit chat it is relatively low level noise IMO. If the sensitive souls amongst us hadn't reacted in the way they did then we probably still wouldn't be talking about it...

Sorry MN... :o

Guest 19.03.2011 13:36

Re: Poll: Where stage are you in ... Living in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1141220)
Genuine question here....

Those swiss members who were offended, did they came to defend me when I was offended about those who did bash my religion down? Did they stand up for me and ''my people'' and told those racists idiots to shut up?

I am not keeping tab on who got offended over what, but still does not justify any offense, or are you suggesting it was all a tit for tat?

Guest 19.03.2011 13:44

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Originally Posted by MathNut (Post 1141225)
Lads (and ladies): The poll options are the five stages of grief. You can't just go adding things like glee and euphoria in willy-nilly or it spoils the broth.
:)

The thread title speaks nothing over Kubler-Ross's death process, and equating it to living and working already speaks a bias towards self-pity.

MathNut 19.03.2011 13:47

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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141249)
The thread title speaks nothing over Kubler-Ross's death process, and equating it to living and working already speaks a bias towards self-pity.

The poll question is clear, I think. Now I am going to make myself a nice self-pitying cup of tea and look for something that actually needs moderating - like nasty remarks - and leave the thread title alone as I don't think it needs changing.

Have a nice afternoon! ;)

Ouchboy 19.03.2011 13:49

Re: Poll: Where stage are you in ... Living in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1141220)
Genuine question here....

Those swiss members who were offended, did they came to defend me when I was offended about those who did bash my religion down? Did they stand up for me and ''my people'' and told those racists idiots to shut up?


Not to go off topic Nil, but please read:
http://www.slate.com/id/2135499/

Nil 19.03.2011 14:18

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141241)
I am not keeping tab on who got offended over what, but still does not justify any offense, or are you suggesting it was all a tit for tat?

No it wasn't tit for tat since I didn't bash on anyone here nor on this country.

But one of the person who got offended by those who did bashed the country is also one who had no problem to hijack a thread of a old muslim couple who were looking for some tips about their trip here in her country. She was pretty good at pittying herself about sad stories that happened long time ago. I don't need to mention that harsh comments were made as well...

I don't support bashing of any culture, religion or people! I have been part of minorities for so long, I know what it is to fight for your rights, respect and dignity.

But I believe that sometimes, maybe, Karma is a bitch and someone got it right in her face...

So while she was openly insulting me and my kind, who came to defend me? Those who are offended today? Nope.

I never bash her back nor did any tit for tat, I let the time passed and I forgave. She had a bad experience who let her with a bad taste. I am not responsible for that and I was personnally offended.

So maybe, sometimes people are having a bad experience who let a bad taste. They may get it out of their chest and insulte someone indirectly. It doesn't mean bad, it is not directly to the person itself.

Should I be insulted and offended every single time Islam is being bashed and insulted? No. I don't like it. I will defend it and try to educate those who doesn't know better.

If a woman got beat up by a man and goes on a forum and complain about all those men, all those this and that. Will you tell her to woman up, stop the self-pity, grow a pair and deal with it? Will you bash her?

So why if someone has a very bad experience in Switzerland, feel depressed and have a very bad moment deserve to be push down, walk on and spit on? How is that different to you?

Guest 19.03.2011 14:28

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141249)
The thread title speaks nothing over Kubler-Ross's death process,

No, but the opening post does.

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Originally Posted by cmirsky (Post 1137885)
The 5 stages are based on the Kubler-Ross model... Originally targeted towards the 5 stages of grief of having a terminal illness, or the death of a loved one, it feel that it can be applied to many issues we deal with in our daily life.

:rolleyes:

cmirsky 19.03.2011 14:33

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No, but the opening post does.

Thanks DB.. And MathNut for your comments...

Sometimes I think some folks on this forum take things to seriously or to literally...

(I will sure be glad when the full moon is over...):D

Carlos R 19.03.2011 14:34

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141249)
The thread title speaks nothing over Kubler-Ross's death process, and equating it to living and working already speaks a bias towards self-pity.

As opposed to the stages of:
Depression
Loss of temper
Forgetfulness
Happiness
Jumping into a corner

eh?



C'mon Phos, you're just spouting now...

Edit: I was going to add a comment that if you knew cmirsky, you'd know he's not the sort to indulge in self-pity, but I see he's done that himself...

Guest 19.03.2011 14:54

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Nil (Post 1141276)
So why if someone has a very bad experience in Switzerland, feel depressed and have a very bad moment deserve to be push down, walk on and spit on? How is that different to you?

Like I said, people going through hard times deserve the benefit of sympathy and a doubt. the moment they start spewing racism and negativy, they forfeit my sympathy, leaving me to conclude they deserve their misery.

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Originally Posted by Carlos R;
Edit: I was going to add a comment that if you knew cmirsky, you'd know he's not the sort to indulge in self-pity, but I see he's done that himself...

You ought to see him when certain individuals do karaoke renditions of Michael Jackson. But with that I can see where he is coming from.

Longbyt 19.03.2011 16:28

Re: Poll: Where stage are you in ... Living in Switzerland
 
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Originally Posted by cmirsky (Post 1137947)
(and the fact that we cannot edit polls...):msnshock:

By the look of it, Mods actually can edit polls. If you want me to add another category or two, give me the exact wording and I can see if I can make it work - this will be wonderful fun as all those who have already voted but weren't completely happy about their choice, will then be able to go beserk groaning me for now allowing others extra possibilities.

One proviso, I want your signature, with two Forum Legends as Witnesses, under a text saying that you asked me to do it and that you take full reponsibilty for any ensuing chaos - including the accidental deletion and/or corruption of all the present votes.

Guest 19.03.2011 16:54

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141310)
the moment they start spewing racism and negativy, they forfeit my sympathy, leaving me to conclude they deserve their misery.

I don't want to take this thread further off topic, but I would like to make a brief observation in relation to this comment.

Our new next door neighbour is a lovely lady. She's off work at the moment, due to a work related injury, so she has been popping round quite a lot. She is overjoyed to have neighbours as our flat, apparently, has been empty for nearly a year.

She is particularly overjoyed that her new neighbours are not Yugoslavians. She has repeated this fact several times during the several visits she has made. "Oh, you're a lovely young couple," she says. "And you are people just like us, not like those Yugoslavians. There are too many Yugoslavians in this town. The people who lived downstairs were Yugoslavians. I didn't like them. I'm going to ask the landlord not to let any more Yugoslavians live in this block. Oh, I'm so glad you're English! There are too many Yugoslavians here. It's a catastrophe!"

Now, we could choose to conclude that she deserves her misery, as Phos does. We could condemn her as a bigot, spewing racism and negativity, and refuse to answer the door when she calls.

Or we could acknowledge that this woman deserves to be given a little allowance. She is clearly very lonely and looking for company. She grew up in this town, spent most of her life in a big city and only recently returned to a town she hardly recognises. She is shocked at the number of buildings that have sprung up since she left. She is afraid to go out in the evenings because of the 'gangs of young people hanging around'. As a young woman she left a close-knit Alpine community. As an older lady she returned to something that, to her, resembles the Bronx. Surely she deserves to be cut a little slack?

So it goes with foreigners living in Switzerland. Yes, sometimes they will blow up and complain about Switzerland or the Swiss. Sometimes this complaining will have negative overtones (not racist, though, given the power relationship involved. I'm disappointed by the persistent misuse of the term on the forum, but that's the internets for you...). Sometimes people will come across as whiny, self-pitying or angry.

But given the difficulties of moving to, living in and adapting to another country, surely that is to be expected? Surely some allowance can be made for the fact that when people are hurting, it's going to come out one way or the other. And let's face it, depression and frustration are hardly characterised by positive feelings, are they?

We are the minority here. We are the ones without power. We are the ones subject to the random viciousness of strangers.

If we can't be angry, negative and depressed here, where can we be?

OK... back to the poll... ;)

fatbloke 19.03.2011 17:21

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
wot will she make of me?:msnblush:

Guest 19.03.2011 17:22

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by fatbloke (Post 1141387)
wot will she make of me?:msnblush:

She'll love you. Don't worry. ;)

fatbloke 19.03.2011 17:25

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
but i have just become yugoslavakian:msnsarcastic:

Nil 19.03.2011 17:33

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
You know, we are moving to an other country.

I am very excited at the idea, at the change and at all the new things we will be able to do, to see, to enjoy.

But I am scared too. I know it will be difficult and I am sure it will be even 10 000 times more difficult now with kids.

I am used to here, to the way things work and I can go around with my french, english and even turkish. Hubby can take care of everything in german and that did help us a lot to make our life easier.

We are moving in a country we know nothing about. The language, the culture, the food, the lifestyle, everything...

I am going to have some very high moments and some very low moments. I won't have my friends to share my problems with anymore... I will be completely isolated. Every single tasks, every single time I'll go out of the house I will have to deal with a culture shock, a language barrier...

This is a second Istanbul for me...... with two kids under my responsability. :msnshock:

I know it will be freaking difficult, and I hope the native will be kind to me and help me to feel comfortable. When I will have enough, when I will be depressed and tired to always have to make an effort, I am going to hate them with passion.... and it will pass, I will get better again and maybe after a while I will have some great friends like I have now here in Basel...

Hey, we could stay here, right? That would be much easier.... but honestly, do I want a comfortable and predictable life or do I want to explore the world and see how it can be elsewhere?

It comes with up and down and I have to deal with it.

I just hope that when I will be very down, someone will listen to me and make me feel better.... Because when you are low and have no one, it's much more difficult to get better.

Guest 19.03.2011 17:47

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
So it is said that "Misery loves company", yet it has nothing to do with getting out of it. If misery is so satisfying, why complain about it?

Notice the poll is swayed to the most positive answer. This indicates that the miserable are not the prevailing type here, only the noisiest. So do acknowledge the your misery is your problem, and not everyone elses's.

Nil 19.03.2011 18:01

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
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Originally Posted by Phos (Post 1141411)
So it is said that "Misery loves company", yet it has nothing to do with getting out of it. If misery is so satisfying, why complain about it?

Notice the poll is swayed to the most positive answer. This indicates that the miserable are not the prevailing type here, only the noisiest. So do acknowledge the your misery is your problem, and not everyone elses's.

You know, I always have great opinions about you. But recently you became quite thick....

You just don't want to see it.

One day, Karma will hit you. We shall see then.

Guest 19.03.2011 18:03

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
Nil, you won't be alone as we will still be here on EF - even from ... your new place. And anyway- we are all coming over to visit, didn't you know? LOL :msngrin:

I won't join on the 'misery' front - but it is true that your positive attitude does have a huge bearing on the attitude of others towards you. Like the old proverb says 'you reap what you sow' and that even more when living abroad. I sincerely wish all the best to all who are suffering being home sick and feel like a square peg in the proverbial round hole. As DB says, it takes a while, more for some than others perhaps. But in the end, if you really can't be 'happy' where you are, wherever that is.. do something about it. Life's too short, honest.

adrianlondon 19.03.2011 18:04

Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?
 
He appears to be locked in a semantic argument about the poll itself, not the contents of this thread. Leave him be. It stops him being miserable ;)


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