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View Poll Results: So... Where stage are YOU in , living and working in Switzerland ?
Denial—"I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me." 5 7.35%
Anger—"Why me? It's not fair!"; "How can this happen to me?"; "Who is to blame? 5 7.35%
Bargaining—"I'll do anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..." 7 10.29%
Depression—"I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; 5 7.35%
Acceptance—"It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it and accept it." 46 67.65%
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He appears to be locked in a semantic argument about the poll itself, not the contents of this thread. Leave him be. It stops him being miserable
That is correct. I am on topic.

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Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?

I am OK the rest of you NUTS
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I am OK the rest of you NUTS
You know, its when you actually start believing that, that you really ought to scrutinize yourself a little closer.
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You know, its when you actually start believing that, that you really ought to scrutinize yourself a little closer.
Thousands of people in Japan,Haiti ,NZ,Peru etc etc would be happy to be somewhere ells
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I don't want to take this thread further off topic, but I would like to make a brief observation in relation to this comment.

Our new next door neighbour is a lovely lady. She's off work at the moment, due to a work related injury, so she has been popping round quite a lot. She is overjoyed to have neighbours as our flat, apparently, has been empty for nearly a year.

She is particularly overjoyed that her new neighbours are not Yugoslavians. She has repeated this fact several times during the several visits she has made. "Oh, you're a lovely young couple," she says. "And you are people just like us, not like those Yugoslavians. There are too many Yugoslavians in this town. The people who lived downstairs were Yugoslavians. I didn't like them. I'm going to ask the landlord not to let any more Yugoslavians live in this block. Oh, I'm so glad you're English! There are too many Yugoslavians here. It's a catastrophe!"

Now, we could choose to conclude that she deserves her misery, as Phos does. We could condemn her as a bigot, spewing racism and negativity, and refuse to answer the door when she calls.

Or we could acknowledge that this woman deserves to be given a little allowance. She is clearly very lonely and looking for company. She grew up in this town, spent most of her life in a big city and only recently returned to a town she hardly recognises. She is shocked at the number of buildings that have sprung up since she left. She is afraid to go out in the evenings because of the 'gangs of young people hanging around'. As a young woman she left a close-knit Alpine community. As an older lady she returned to something that, to her, resembles the Bronx. Surely she deserves to be cut a little slack?

So it goes with foreigners living in Switzerland. Yes, sometimes they will blow up and complain about Switzerland or the Swiss. Sometimes this complaining will have negative overtones (not racist, though, given the power relationship involved. I'm disappointed by the persistent misuse of the term on the forum, but that's the internets for you...). Sometimes people will come across as whiny, self-pitying or angry.

But given the difficulties of moving to, living in and adapting to another country, surely that is to be expected? Surely some allowance can be made for the fact that when people are hurting, it's going to come out one way or the other. And let's face it, depression and frustration are hardly characterised by positive feelings, are they?

We are the minority here. We are the ones without power. We are the ones subject to the random viciousness of strangers.

If we can't be angry, negative and depressed here, where can we be?

OK... back to the poll...
Well... it's great that you can make this allowance, not being one of those pesky "Yugoslavians". On the other hand, some of us see RED, knowing that they're all being stereotyped as lower-level beings on account of their origins, by people like your next door neighbor. This is for sure: she never would have knocked on my door.

And I'll say it again - I understand how and why the original thread in the complaints corner upset some of the longstanding, helpful Swiss members. It's hard not to mind when someone dumps on your country and your people. The threat of "authorities" is an overreaction, but the hurt feelings are real.
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Thousands of people in Japan,Haiti ,NZ,Peru etc etc would be happy to be somewhere ells
Amen brother!
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?

Come and get it
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..."Oh, I'm so glad you're English! There are too many Yugoslavians here. It's a catastrophe!"
Good job she doesn't know about your other half, eh?
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Well... it's great that you can make this allowance, not being one of those pesky "Yugoslavians". On the other hand, some of us see RED, knowing that they're all being stereotyped as lower-level beings on account of their origins, by people like your next door neighbor. This is for sure: she never would have knocked on my door.
Yeah, but that's the thing. I'm not prepared to judge our neighbour because of one human failing, when, as a person, she is clearly so much more than that.

The same goes for our fellow members who are frustrated, angry or depressed with their lives in Switzerland. They are not merely hateful bigots. They are hurt, frightened, upset people. People just like us.

Why is that so difficult to understand? Aren't we all subject to irrationality and folly from time to time?
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Strrrruuuuuuuuffffffff life is really too short. Have a really nice week-end all. Back to all the doom and gloom on TV. Actually, switch TV off and read a good book.
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Oh wait a second.... I think karma just got me....

hey.. karma.... stop... heee hee... stop it karma, stop it!

but I think its trying to tickle me. Is that normal?
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?

How about: Thrilled, I never want to leave????
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Oh wait a second.... I think karma just got me....

hey.. karma.... stop... heee hee... stop it karma, stop it!

but I think its trying to tickle me. Is that normal?
Hey as long as you like it!
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How about: Thrilled, I never want to leave????

Congrats! The blessings of a proper attitude and a healthier mental state is its own karma.
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Breathe Nil, breathe.... start practicing now
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I am in a terrible situation where I don't like it here but don't like it in London either...or anywhere else.
Tell me about it ! No where in my experience is perfect, but some places are definatley easier to live in than others, the UK will always be that one place.

Unfortunatley it is not always so easy to pick up ones life up as some people may think put it in a paper bag and move on to the next place. It can be a financial nightmare. I understand why people get in a rut about living here, sometimes its just pure circumstances that can push one over the edge.

I will just follow where the best Financial Services jobs are... cause they are certainly not here for me , then that makes the choice easier !

One thing I will have great pleasure in doing is tearing up all of those
useless insurance polices!
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Re: Poll: How do you feel about living and working in Switzerland?

I am starting to feel drama level on this forum is somewhere around 20 on the scale of 10 lately, innit...

Peeps. Quit stalking eachother, spending the whole night reading up old posts to see where there is a room for some kind of retaliation.

Go and start an interesting thread, instead. Preferably not in the complaint corner. Ta.
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You do realise that I can legally charge you for...
Oh, please.

Don't you think we've had enough of this lately?

Let's keep forum business on the forum. Who wants to keep lawyers in work, anyway?
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Yeah, but that's the thing. I'm not prepared to judge our neighbour because of one human failing, when, as a person, she is clearly so much more than that.

The same goes for our fellow members who are frustrated, angry or depressed with their lives in Switzerland. They are not merely hateful bigots. They are hurt, frightened, upset people. People just like us.

Why is that so difficult to understand? Aren't we all subject to irrationality and folly from time to time?
Yes, we all are. We are all stupid and irrational from time to time, and reasonable people may disagree on what is merely a nuisance and what is a serious matter. But, as an analogy, while you may have understanding and compassion toward someone who commits a crime, and realize that a criminal is a complex person, you don't excuse the crime and wish it to go unpunished.

I'm not saying you should call your neighbor on her prejudice, as that would likely give no result. But neither should you just nod along as she spews that kind of nonsense. The best you can do is work with her, talk to her, so that you may help change her mind in good time.
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Yes, we all are. We are all stupid and irrational from time to time, and reasonable people may disagree on what is merely a nuisance and what is a serious matter. But, as an analogy, while you may have understanding and compassion toward someone who commits a crime, and realize that a criminal is a complex person, you don't excuse the crime and wish it to go unpunished.

I'm not saying you should call your neighbor on her prejudice, as that would likely give no result. But neither should you just nod along as she spews that kind of nonsense. The best you can do is work with her, talk to her, so that you may help change her mind in good time.
Bingo! But this will be achieve with time an patience. It is better to do what he is doing now and slowly open her mind to something else than close the door at her and never get the chance to make it happen.
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