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On a serious note. There is a real business opportunity here in CH to adapt a really successful formula popular in the UK for some time now: Natural burial grounds. We had one near us in Leics, a large plot of land where people can be buried with a secular ceremony if wished, and a native tree and native flowers planted (NO plastic, foam or other funeral pollution) and simple wooden non-treated coffins made of local trees, or recycled cardboard coffins). Would be interesting to check whether that could be done in CH. Many coffins are made with exotic woods imported long distance, and the varnishes are very polluting, especially when cremated. The cremation process takes a lot of energy btw.
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I found a "disturbing" thing in my building.
I went to the cellar to put the wasching machine and I found that at the end of the stairs, on the wall there was a gravestone with the names of a couple and the dates they were born and death.
WTF is this? I normal to put death people under/in a building?
The grave quite simply had to given up as more than 25 years old. If you visit my sister-in-law, you on a beautiful piece of furniture can see a nicely decorated urn. It is the one of my older brother. She with the approval of my mother and me took it from the cemetary of Zug and with her. When you have to give up a graveplace you can request that you get the human remains for private care. AND, the gravestone is YOUR possession. The gravestone of course is to be taken into their compartment, sure.
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Old 23.03.2011, 20:32
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The reason graveyards are dug up in Switzerland after a certain number of years and reused is because there is a lack of space. A natural graveyard sounds like a nice idea but it's back to the same old question - where to put it? Most people opt for cremation here and since the past ten years, the living can pretty much do what they like with the ashes. The company Letzte Ruhe GMbH, offers many different kinds of "natural burials" for ashes if someone has a special wish.
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The reason graveyards are dug up in Switzerland after a certain number of years and reused is because there is a lack of space. A natural graveyard sounds like a nice idea but it's back to the same old question - where to put it? Most people opt for cremation here and since the past ten years, the living can pretty much do what they like with the ashes. The company Letzte Ruhe GMbH, offers many different kinds of "natural burials" for ashes if someone has a special wish.
I think their approach is still similar to the current model in Switzerland. I'm sure they too get dug up after a few years... but the impact on the environment between death and decay is surely less than with the traditional burials.
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In rural Greece, in some areas I know anyway, it's only three to five years.

A gravestone is not exactly a cheap thing. It's not only the work involved that costs. The rock alone may cost a lot. So, it's not that unusual to put aside a gravestone that has been removed, to delete the engravings some day and reuse it.

Years ago, a part of my daily walk to work and back home was close to the local cemetery. When the plot close to the street was dug up, leveled and lawn grass seeds were sawn, after one year, before that section was reused, it was very interesting to see how green the lawn was where the graves had been, much greener than the former paths in between. You could still see the edges of each grave. What can we learn from that?
hmmm...sounds like a business idea...recycable/rentable grave stones? perhaps the plastic type where you can easily erase the name of the previous person and put in the new one?
I've already heard of all the "green" burial ideas...perhaps this is the next best thing...
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perfect....alright partner...when do we start this business?
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Old 24.03.2011, 09:23
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What would be the problem if the couple were (legally) buried under the basement floor?

I don't get this sentimentality about what happens to your body after you die.

When I die then I really don't care what happens to me - I'll be dead. Burn me in a cardboard box and put the ashes in the bin. It's simplest and I'd hate to think that somebody spent good money burning or burying a beautiful tree.
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OMG! I checked everywhere into every detail to see whether there is a gravestone in or around my place!! As you know, buildings here are quite ancient. When i looked for some places to stay as i just moved to Switzerland, i can see most of the apartmens are built in 1950' or 1960'. That's quite amazing! In some developing countries, let's say, China, you can hardly find such old buildings in cities. If there are any, they must be some residences for some famous persons or some sight-seeing spots. Chinese people, they can construct a high-rise building in 2 days. No exaggeration, you can watch the video on Youtube

Anyway, a gravestone around my place, that will definitely freaks me out. Maybe i should check with the landlord if there was anyone lived as well as passed away in my place.

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It's the same in Germany too, 25 years and you get dug up.

I find it amazing for a country the size that Germany is and they're worrying about space!
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Old 24.03.2011, 11:27
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Wash and re-use....

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On a serious note. There is a real business opportunity here in CH to adapt a really successful formula popular in the UK for some time now: Natural burial grounds. We had one near us in Leics, a large plot of land where people can be buried with a secular ceremony if wished, and a native tree and native flowers planted (NO plastic, foam or other funeral pollution) and simple wooden non-treated coffins made of local trees, or recycled cardboard coffins). Would be interesting to check whether that could be done in CH. Many coffins are made with exotic woods imported long distance, and the varnishes are very polluting, especially when cremated. The cremation process takes a lot of energy btw.
There are plenty of those in CH: http://www.friedwald.ch/
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What would be the problem if the couple were (legally) buried under the basement floor?

I don't get this sentimentality about what happens to your body after you die.

When I die then I really don't care what happens to me - I'll be dead. Burn me in a cardboard box and put the ashes in the bin.
Are you sure you won't feel anything? What if?
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It's the same in Germany too, 25 years and you get dug up.

I find it amazing for a country the size that Germany is and they're worrying about space!
Well as it is, Germany is highly populated too.
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Are you sure you won't feel anything? What if?
If there is an if, then it's not what happens to the ashes that's going to upset me. It's being buried, burnt, ditched in the sea, frozen or cut up (I think that pretty much covers the practical legal options). And being in a fancy box at the time isn't going to help.
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If there is an if, then it's not what happens to the ashes that's going to upset me. It's being buried, burnt, ditched in the sea, frozen or cut up (I think that pretty much covers the practical legal options). And being in a fancy box at the time isn't going to help.
That's what I meant Imagine you feel all that.
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That's what I meant Imagine you feel all that.
I guess the idea of getting your ash compressed into an artifical diamond is not for you then... Swiss innovation btw: http://www.algordanza.org/Home.aspx
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My best friend has already made arrangements. She wants to be cremated and then I'm supposed to take the urn and place it somewhere where she can watch TV.
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OMG! I checked everywhere into every detail to see whether there is a gravestone in or around my place!! As you know, buildings here are quite ancient. When i looked for some places to stay as i just moved to Switzerland, i can see most of the apartmens are built in 1950' or 1960'. That's quite amazing! In some developing countries, let's say, China, you can hardly find such old buildings in cities.

Anyway, a gravestone around my place, that will definitely freaks me out. Maybe i should check with the landlord if there was anyone lived as well as passed away in my place.

Hope you sleep well in the night
A gravestone in the basement does not necessarily mean there is anyone under it or even near it. The family who owns it is keeping it for future use or as a memento because their loved one got dug up.
I don't really think buildings from 1950 or 1960 are actually ancient. There are people on the forum older than that. The house I live in now is from 1680 and I am quite sure people have died here, that's what they used to do, die at home. Nothing freaky or weird about it. So yes, someone probably did die in your place. And I doubt they mind you live there.
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I think their approach is still similar to the current model in Switzerland. I'm sure they too get dug up after a few years... but the impact on the environment between death and decay is surely less than with the traditional burials.
When my brother saw his end approaching in early 1994, he not so much considered about the environment, but that he had been freezing more than enough (you see, you feel the cold rather more after having had testicular cancer than before) and so did NOT want to freeze after death. And so, among his wishes were the cremation
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