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Basically, im ur normal bible-centered, born again, protestant who prefers to worship on saturdays. Well maybe not that normal but still..relatively...yep. I have a problem with labels and traditions. God is my judge.
I don't really want to comment on the choice of day vis-a-vis religious beliefs. However, living in CH, I would suggest that you are showing a great sacrifice by giving up some of your Saturday to fulfill your beliefs.

Sunday worshipers are clearly only half-arsed about it all. I mean, there's nothing else to do on Sunday, so you may as well go to church...
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The only churches that I am aware of that worship on Saturdays are Adventist churches. They are of American origin so there are very few in Europe. The largest and most well-known is SDA, but that church is a bit controversial due to the role of Ellen G. White. But if you are interested, their website for German Switzerland is http://www.stanet.ch/dsv/

Good luck in finding the right church.

thanks but im not SDA. Many links were shared here and imma check em all out with my uhmm husband to be as still most are in german. So primarily it should be an english speaking church. Better if near our place. Saturday meetings will be very nice.
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Out of interest, this isn't something that I'm all that educated about: what would you say is the broadest possible definition of "Christian"? There just seems to be a great deal of raised eyebrows is all.
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I don't really want to comment on the choice of day vis-a-vis religious beliefs. However, living in CH, I would suggest that you are showing a great sacrifice by giving up some of your Saturday to fulfill your beliefs.

Sunday worshipers are clearly only half-arsed about it all. I mean, there's nothing else to do on Sunday, so you may as well go to church...

Well sometimes half-arsed is good enough. Better than totally abandoning ur beliefs. Giving up my saturdays? well that doesnt apply to me coz im not a party girl or anything. Heck, im a momma and trying for my 2nd (i mentioned that on ur "getting pregnant" thread).
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Out of interest, this isn't something that I'm all that educated about: what would you say is the broadest possible definition of "Christian"? There just seems to be a great deal of raised eyebrows is all.

Try asking the more articulate and unbiased posters. Coz apparently, Ive raised enough eyebrows today.
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Well sometimes half-arsed is good enough. Better than totally abandoning ur beliefs. Giving up my saturdays? well that doesnt apply to me coz im not a party girl or anything. Heck, im a momma and trying for my 2nd (i mentioned that on ur "getting pregnant" thread).
LOL.

If you are at work, Saturdays is the only day you can do/buy anything. It isn't so much about giving anything up, but being able to do anything!

You're going to cause quite a stir if you go to a conservative religious community: unmarried, "living in sin", 1 baby and (hopefully) soon to be #2. Well, they'll be praying hard for you.
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LOL.

If you are at work, Saturdays is the only day you can do/buy anything. It isn't so much about giving anything up, but being able to do anything!

You're going to cause quite a stir if you go to a conservative religious community: unmarried, "living in sin", 1 baby and (hopefully) soon to be #2. Well, they'll be praying hard for you.

Isnt that good? i make their sundays more interesting..more to talk about. Make them pray harder. However, not at the expense of the family im starting. Im hesitant to actually walk into any of the recommended churches until im married. But ill still try and just be discreet. 2 months without church is no good for a pastor´s kid.
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OK. I'll explain it as clearly as I can:
  • The OP is seeking a protestant church where there is the possibility of attending Bible study meetings.
  • There are protestant churches at which such meetings exist, even in Zurich. I know this because I have attended them myself. In Zurich.
  • Knowing that such protestant churches exist in Zurich might be helpful for the OP, as it increases the likelihood of such churches existing where she lives.
  • Your contribution isn't actually helping very much, as you are, quite frankly, talking nonsense.
What are you trying to prove, exactly, and how is this supposed to help the OP?

You may be right 90%, but what I a bit oppose to is that the OP considers to join some "freakish" communities. You visited such places ? Why not, but when two people do the same it is not necessarily the same. I so rather tried to convince the O.P. to abstain from "fringe places. At normal services on Sundays there ARE people around who know alternative things, AND most of all, there are always full programs fixed at the entry to all churches.

But then a lot depends on the language-capabilities of a visitor. and for English speakers with not too much of German, options of course are

IPC International Protestant Church, Zeltweg 20, 8032 Zürich,
Tel 044 282 56 25

ST Andrew’s Church

Anglican-Episcopal

Promenadengasse 9, Zurich

+41 (0) 44 252 6024

zurich@anglican.ch
-- quite nice in fact (was there once)

or, more mainstream here, the reformierte Kirche Zürich-ENGE

Evangelisch-reformierte Kirchgemeinde Zürich-Enge
Sekretariat
Grütlistrasse 18
8002 Zürich
Telefon 044 201 06 30
Mail: Gemeindedienst/Sekretariat Enge

which is basically German speaking but known for the many English speaking regulars





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IPC International Protestant Church of Zürich Zeltweg 20 8032 Zürich SWITZERLAND
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Are they protestant? I always thought they carve out their own niche...
According to their WEBsite they ARE protestant
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I laugh because nowerdays the lutherin church in Wellington where my father goes, sometimes has drums not just an organ. This takes a lot of getting used to for some.




She is in Untersiggenthal.
Theres is a Protestant church in her extended village a lot of English speakers, its been pointed to in 2 posts.
It may not be as penticostal as some she is used to, but she may still be able to find the connection she wants. Moving churches is like moving families. Hard enough without silly arguments
If its Latter Day Saints she is after, there are these guys in Wettingen.
I dont think there are many English speakers there, but i've never been.

Lets all go retrieve our Nukkis, just thrown out of the playpen, and show this new girl a bit of class, leave our differences in belief systems to be fought over by those guys in the middle east with guns.

"Die Heiligen der Letzten Tage" are the Mormons. I was rather negative about them until I visited Salt Lake City and got more information. They may be a bit strange in a way, but not bad at all. But here in Switzerland regarded as outsiders
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i dont get this completely...they disguise as cool people but not a church..u mean not registered/official, but real (cool)believers? that sounds good to me since im not looking for an old fashioned church as i have personal issues about organized religion itself. Iv experienced and i expect to be judged (tattoos and all). Im more of a bible person and as long as thats the central basis of the fellowship, thats what im after.

Thanks so much for the help, but i would need my husband to look up those websites in german.
Here the English language WEBsite of them

http://www.ipc-zurich.org/
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Here the English language WEBsite of them

http://www.ipc-zurich.org/
erm, nope, we're talking about these freaks here: http://www.international.icf.ch/
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You'd be surprised how close fundamental Christians can get to fundamental Muslims when it comes to backward moral ideas... it's as if they had the same God!
It IS the same God (at least according to the Koran) indeed it is, and of course also secularist Christians and Muslims and Jews have the same God
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Sadly, many do not agree. If Christians can't even agree on a Day of worship, what chance have they got to agree on anything that matters?
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Basically, im ur normal bible-centered, born again, protestant who prefers to worship on saturdays. Well maybe not that normal but still..relatively...yep. I have a problem with labels and traditions. God is my judge.
Ulrich Zwingli, the Zurich-reformator, went heavily against "born-again Christians" (Limmat drownings) and clearly emphasized Sunday as THE day of worship. And so actually did his mate, Mr Calvin in Geneva. While I am strictly against INtolerance and things like drownings, I feel with the tradional Zwinglian-Calvinist ideas.

You however, as indicated above, will find many services on alternative days announced, if you go to church-entries and look at the information-tables there.

And, if you go shopping to Germany anyway, even if the "neighbourhood" Aargau overthere is mainly Catholic, there nowadays are Protestant churches around like the one of Waldshut

http://www.evangelische-kirche-waldshut.de/Lageplan.pdf

or the one in Jestetten

http://www.jestetten.de/index.php?id=45

and accross the border there to the Northeast, the Protestant churches in Schaffhausen, like this one
http://www.ref-sh.ch/kg/steig/ --- actually re-built in 1946 with money Schaffhausen city-president Walter Bringolf got on his visit in 45 from Harry Truman !
or this one
http://www.ref-sh.ch/kg/stjohann/?pa...e&sucheBereich[]=SH-St.%20Johann&sucheBereich[]=SH-M%FCnster%20/%20St.%20Johann&sucheBereich[]=SH-St.%20Johann%20/%20M%FCnster&sucheStichwort[]=Gottesdienst&sucheTyp[]=veranstaltungen&&sucheZeitFenster=60&sucheDarstel lung=agenda&sucheDarstellungTitel=Gottesdienste
-- where you can see my anti-Saturday position shown by the traditonal Protestant St. Johann church in Schaffhausen !



and HERE something to happen RIGHT NEXT SATURDAY !

http://www.ref-sh.ch/kg/stjohann/veranstaltung/14097
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erm, nope, we're talking about these freaks here: http://www.international.icf.ch/
As it looked a bit strange, I got into it deeper and found THIS
http://www.international.icf.ch/events/baptism.html
which by its remarks shows to me that it is a "church" of Baptists

Baptists were drowned on the order of Ulrich Zwingli routinely, and quite a while after the demise of the reformator, only Mr Breitinger stopped this kind of extreme judicial killing
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As it looked a bit strange, I got into it deeper and found THIS
http://www.international.icf.ch/events/baptism.html
which by its remarks shows to me that it is a "church" of Baptists

Baptists were drowned on the order of Ulrich Zwingli routinely, and quite a while after the demise of the reformator, only Mr Breitinger stopped this kind of extreme judicial killing

im sorry but i really never heard of these "drownings" you and other posters mentioned...but its interesting, ill read up on that
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im sorry but i really never heard of these "drownings" you and other posters mentioned...but its interesting, ill read up on that
It is a rather gruesome aspect of the man







here some info on the subject

Zwinglifrom Sammlung I.ii.pg 449)In order that the dangerous, wicked, turbulent sect of the Baptists may be eradicated,we have decreed...those suspected of re-baptism ..to be warned. Teachers of re-baptism , baptising preachers ,and leaders of hedge meetings are to be drowned.
Foreign Baptists are to be driven out (of Zurich);if they return,they are to be drowned.
This decree was by instigation of Zwingli to the Council of St.Gall, September 9,1527.
It is reported that many Baptists were drowned as a result of this decree.
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source http://www.christianforums.com/t7523010/


Let's be clear, humour about this topic is ill-placed as it was religious intolerance not better than the one of the Khomeiny-folks. To the good luck of Zurich, Mr Breitinger started the application of tolerance and a sense of openness.

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To be fair, a lot more Christians were burnt and tortured by each other, for all sorts of disagreements on the interpretation of the Bible. In some countries, homosexuals are still beaten, maimed and killed to this very day. Which is why I'm surprised and dismayed that nowadays, some Christians still feel so strongly about the day of worship. I just cannot get my head around it, so it is best if I just wish you good luck with your search.
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here some info on the subject

Zwinglifrom Sammlung I.ii.pg 449)In order that the dangerous, wicked, turbulent sect of the Baptists may be eradicated,we have decreed...those suspected of re-baptism ..to be warned. Teachers of re-baptism , baptising preachers ,and leaders of hedge meetings are to be drowned.
Foreign Baptists are to be driven out (of Zurich);if they return,they are to be drowned.
This decree was by instigation of Zwingli to the Council of St.Gall, September 9,1527.
It is reported that many Baptists were drowned as a result of this decree.
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Let's be clear, humour about this topic is ill-placed as it was religious intolerance not better than the one of the Khomeiny-folks. To the good luck of Zurich, Mr Breitinger started the application of tolerance and a sense of openness.
You see - that's were protestants like Zwingli went wrong: Where I come from, a good old fashioned catholic area, all types of heretics, witches and so on were burned, not drowned. Hell is eternal flames, not eternal Zürichsee...
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