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Yes, I'm happy with the duopoly. 7 10.77%
No, I hate it. 37 56.92%
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Old 01.04.2011, 11:52
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I'd rather it were a Waitrose.
I'd even accept a Morrisons hell I'd even take Nisa!
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I'd even accept a Morrisons
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

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So I now have
- food is too expensive
- Quality is no good
- There's no frickin choice
- dark and stinky for pregnant women

must be something in the hormones
I take it you've never been pregnant before! This is a very common opinion among pregnant women. Chances are I'd feel feel the same way in Trader Joe's or Whole Foods, but somehow I doubt is as they're better ventilated, get more natural light and the doors open to the outside.

In order to get any selection here it's necessary to go to a "big" coop or Migros and they tend to be in malls or shopping centers and tucked so far inside the windowless maze that it really is intolerable how stuffy and disgusting it is. It's so bad I order online or just send my husband. I do wonder how good that is for all of that overpriced wilting produce, too...
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:05
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

I spent a few days last week with a Swiss friend of mine who's a real history buff. I was telling him about some booklets and time sheets I had found from factories in the '40s and '50s- folks worked a lot more and the pay, when adjusted to current levels, was dismal.

What was interesting was that he added: they also spent roughly 50% of their net pay on food. That's how expensive it was. So considering how slow Switzerland is in catching up with the rest of the modern world, I can see how to the average citizen life is super peachy with a Coop and Migros nearby, with their Deals and Points and all that fun- and for sheer decadence a little Denner (just wear a hat and sunglasses when you go there!).
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:15
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Well I do agree that food is more expensive then in most other countries, but considering how much we earn, the percentage we have to spend on food is much lower than in any other country.
No...it's much, much higher. People in the middle wages don't earn appreciably more than elsewhere. They get stung hard with food prices.


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Also, I'll gladly pay more if I know the Kassen-Lady gets paid at least 4000.-/month which in switzerland must i remind you is not a good salary (however, it's certainly better than the 700euros some of those european hard-discounters pay). Or knowing the farmer gets a decent price for his crop (again, I'm pretty sure swiss farmers are much better off than their european counterparts).
Well that's your choice. It isn't mine. And thinking high prices/markups mean higher wages is unbelievably naive. The cashiers get paid 4k because they can't live on less.


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Quality-wise I find swiss product of much better quality. I've been to aldi and lidle in germany and the product didn't look fresh at all .
Really? Do you work for either of them? I see fresh fruit and veg unrefrigerated and rotting in the aisles. And everyone I've spoken to says the same.

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And to those that say the migros brand is no good, I will point out that the migros puts its name on the products it manufacture. if they want to stay around they HAVE to make quality products.
Rubbish! The whole point of a cartel, which Cogros certainly is (as with almost every industry here) is that you can pricefix and collude (tacitly or otherwise) with your competition and churn out any old crap and there is no appreciable alternative.


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That alone is assurance to me that they wont make crap. Furthermore, if you really don't like Migros, then go to coop, it's as easy as that!
Again, I didn't invent "Cogros" I'm not that clever. It's a cartel. There is no appreciable choice.

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And now to the complaint i hear most and the one I hate above all: the choice! Well, i've been to those french hyper-marchés and the choice is overwhelming (in a bad way). I much prefer a small variety of a good product rather than a huge of a bad product. Not to mention, new products appear every day and replace old ones... You finally get used to a product and it disappears (i find this particularly annoying with toothbrushes).
Yeah, my granny can move with the times better than you. Here you get products from the 1980s like toothpastes that don't stand up and scrubbing brushes without a hollow handle for the soap. In the UK you get huge supermarkets full of high quality products at great prices. It's not magic, it's competition.

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And seriously, do you need to be able to choose from 20 different brands of toilet paper!?!?
No! But the Soviet Union fell because of it.



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I'm all for supporting farmers & local producers & I realize that a country with a population as low as CH is inevitably going to be more expensive,
This isn't true. Subsidies hurt us all. Switzerland shouldn't be producing crops and livestock if it can't do so at a reasonable price. Tarifs that keep Swiss farmers in business at the expensive of German farmers, help one group of people at the expense of the other while costing everyone else more money. It's insane.
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:20
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And seriously, do you need to be able to choose from 20 different brands of toilet paper!?!?
No, I just want this one particular brand. Which they usually don't have unless they stock at least 20..
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:23
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:27
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Where's the "meh" option?
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:32
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No...it's much, much higher. People in the middle wages don't earn appreciably more than elsewhere. They get stung hard with food prices.
Some statistics on average household revenues & expenses in Switzerland (2008).

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This isn't true. Subsidies hurt us all. Switzerland shouldn't be producing crops and livestock if it can't do so at a reasonable price. Tarifs that keep Swiss farmers in business at the expensive of German farmers, help one group of people at the expense of the other while costing everyone else more money. It's insane.
If Switzerland had to source 100% of its crops & livestock from EU, we would be very dependent from provider and easily put under pressure. Having the ability to produce own food is also important strategically even if it comes at a certain price.
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:35
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

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Where's the "meh" option?
Ta. Although I did ask for "meh" rather than "me".

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Old 01.04.2011, 12:38
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Thanks for the data. Two issues with this sort of data here:

1.Expensive stuff means people buy less of it to maintain their percentage expenditure which sort of misses the point.

2. The earnings bell curve is flatter here than elsewhere which means people in the middle get screwed slightly.



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If Switzerland had to source 100% of its crops & livestock from EU, we would be very dependent from provider and easily put under pressure. Having the ability to produce own food is also important strategically even if it comes at a certain price.
A common argument but made primarily from farmers lobby groups. There is a vibrant world soft commodities market out there - Switzerland isn't forced to buy from the EU.
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:42
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

There's three five six of me?
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:47
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A common argument but made primarily from farmers lobby groups. There is a vibrant world soft commodities market out there - Switzerland isn't forced to buy from the EU.
Maybe for a cosmopolitan icicle (to continue the snow theme) like you.

But to the Swiss, there's
Swiss-made
EU-bearable
and...

...well that's pretty much it.

Could you imagine the taxes charged on anything "foreign"... no wait... we don't need to answer that, we just need to look around in the shops.

Did you notice the sweeping generalisations I made there? Did you?
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Old 01.04.2011, 12:56
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

Why do people have this imaginary belief that food in Migros/Coop is somehow 'much better' regardless of the price than elsewhere? I don't see it. I think people make up this crap just so that they can feel better about spending 20 CHF for a chicken breast.
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

What I find even more amazing is that not even "Made in Germany" or "Made in China" on the package shatters these beliefs.
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Re: Who is happy with the Migros/Coop duopoly?

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Yeah, my granny can move with the times better than you. Here you get products from the 1980s like toothpastes that don't stand up and scrubbing brushes without a hollow handle for the soap. In the UK you get huge supermarkets full of high quality products at great prices. It's not magic, it's competition.
I never thought that someone would claim another country was a better, modern technological superpower because they had toothpaste tubes that stood up!

I think I have to rename myself as Carlos as well. (meh category)

I shopped in Tesco's, Waitrose, Sainsbury's, Auchan, Carrefour, Safeway, Kroger's,... They are not much better or worse than the Swiss duopoly. As for quality of produce, the stores are individually managed. So it isn't surprising to find spoiled goods at an occasional badly-managed store.

It would be nice to see another competitor coming in (Carrefour tried, but pulled out). But even so, there will only be modest changes. I don't foresee a huge rise in quality or an incredible drop in prices.
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Why do people have this imaginary belief that food in Migros/Coop is somehow 'much better' regardless of the price than elsewhere? I don't see it. I think people make up this crap just so that they can feel better about spending 20 CHF for a chicken breast.
Well, there I things I prefer to get at Migros, such as raclette and sour-cream, plastic bags, and Saran-Wrap. And my kids prefer their iced-tea. For other things, I often shop at Manor (Coop much less), or in Italy.

I buy a lot at Denner (mainly because it's on my walk home from work, and I like their stuff), which belongs to Migros.

But, even my girlfriend who is an EXTREME spendthrift, only buys a few things at Aldi, Lidl, Ottos, etc. (wine, bread mainly)

At Migros, I know what I'm getting. And if I want a large chunk of prosciutto, a t-bone steak, olive-oil, etc., I go to Italy.

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Why do people have this imaginary belief that food in Migros/Coop is somehow 'much better' regardless of the price than elsewhere? I don't see it. I think people make up this crap just so that they can feel better about spending 20 CHF for a chicken breast.
That's where you're going wrong (and not just you) - it's not a 'see thing' but a 'taste thing'.
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