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Re: Dining faux pas

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but what I have encountered here in the US, as opposed to Western Europe, is that people dine only with a fork and do not hold a knife simultaneously while eating. The way it works is people will cut whatever they need to cut on the plate with a knife before starting their meal or cut any food with the side of their fork during the meal. I have come accustomed to such a practice now, years after living in the States, but it was the first rule that came to my attention in terms of US culinary customs when I first arrived.
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:08
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I have been to quite a few Gault Millau rated places in Switzerland and have never seen one without prices. Now I will try that next time ordering them on the phone. Btw at Burger King's I only point to the pictures.
Go to a 2 or 3* Michelin restaurant, and the menus given to women don't have prices (at least in France).

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Old 06.04.2011, 16:09
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I have been to quite a few Gault Millau rated places in Switzerland and have never seen one without prices. Now I will try that next time ordering them on the phone. Btw at Burger King's I only point to the pictures.
Well, no. You wouldn't. Its not always obvious to the staff who will be paying the bill, so they wouldn't know who to give the menu without prices to, even on a date it's not a given who pays for the meal. So unless its requested, it wont be handed out.

Some people, even if they are inviting you and paying for the meal, would like you to know what you are costing them. How else will you know how special you are?
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:11
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So you don't only drive on the wrong side of the street but you also write the price of a dish on the left? Before the name? Or do you generally write from right to left in Yorkshire?
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Really? Pray tell, which restaurants have them?
I do not really ask the wife "does your menu have prices"... but I believe pretty much all of the more up-market ones have them by default, no? I cannot remember 100%, but I believe the waiter in "Le Restaurant" at Badrutt's Palace gave the wife one without prices as default.
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:12
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Re: Dining faux pas

If, when asking your guests, if they would care for some more wine, and one politely (not wishing to offend because they're driving) replies:
- "Alright then .... just a mouthful"

Do not take them literally, as saliva can dilute the flavour.
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Oh bugger!
Did you hit the wife on the wrong eye?
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:17
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Go to a 2 or 3* Michelin restaurant, and the menus given to women don't have prices (at least in France).

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Mais bien, c'est la France I was talking about Switzerland.

Btw I talked about this to my boss, who is a politician and very refined gentleman and he said he didn't even know these menus existed, and his wife said the same (they're both Swiss and dine in 1st class restaurants regularly)
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:45
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Btw I talked about this to my boss, who is a politician and very refined gentleman and he said he didn't even know these menus existed, and his wife said the same (they're both Swiss and dine in 1st class restaurants regularly)
Yeah but who believes a politician??
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Yeah but who believes a politician??
I knew somebody would say that.
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Re: Dining faux pas

Well to settle the argument, I have seen many times in good French restaurants the unpriced menu for the lady guest, but never in Switzerland. Politicians never pay so that settles that point, and just to help with a suggestion, when I take my wife to a nice restaurant, I hate her looking at prices as she always says, ooh I like the ..... but its very expensive, and so I ask the waiter to come and explain each dish to Mrs G and then she can choose without even seeing a menu.Incidentally it helps to order the wine first to get the waiters full attention.....
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Old 06.04.2011, 16:58
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when I take my wife to a nice restaurant, I hate her looking at prices as she always says, ooh I like the ..... but its very expensive, and so I ask the waiter to come and explain each dish to Mrs G and then she can choose without even seeing a menu.
Another Yorkshire tip; you order for her. She gets what she gets given. She's lucky to be there and not at home with the lights and fire turned off.
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Another Yorkshire tip; you order for her. She gets what she gets given.
Do you let her put her own salt and vinegar on, though?
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Depends. Some places charge for vinegar.
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Re: Dining faux pas

I've been to a few places with the Ladies' menus. And even to one where even as a lady, I was given a price one, as I was the obvious paying officer...
I find it somewhat annoying, simply because sometimes I use price to gauge the size of the portions - and without the price - you order in the dark - and then have to face the dark spirits of your companion!
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I use price to gauge the size of the portions
Does that really work in a good Swiss restaurant? 90% of the price has nothing to do with the raw materials...
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Well, no. You wouldn't. Its not always obvious to the staff who will be paying the bill, so they wouldn't know who to give the menu without prices to, even on a date it's not a given who pays for the meal. So unless its requested, it wont be handed out.

Some people, even if they are inviting you and paying for the meal, would like you to know what you are costing them. How else will you know how special you are?
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I've been to a few places with the Ladies' menus. And even to one where even as a lady, I was given a price one, as I was the obvious paying officer...
I find it somewhat annoying, simply because sometimes I use price to gauge the size of the portions - and without the price - you order in the dark - and then have to face the dark spirits of your companion!
I went to many restaurant with the ''ladies menu'' and I would tell you my opinion about this practice.

It is popular in countries where chevalry, I believe, is still somehow important in people's mind. In my opinion, a true gentleman who invite you to one of those restaurant wouldn't need you to see the price to impress you with the amount of money he spend on you. The place itself should suffice. A true gentleman would never rub your nose in the amount he is spending to make you feel special. If a man feel the need to show this off, it is very bad taste indeed.

Now, you have to keep in mind that I am an old fashion kind of woman. I am not buying this equality crap of sharing bills when going on a date. If a true gentleman wants my company for dinner (and I don't care if it is Burger king or Lacivert on the Bosphorus) he would never expect to share the bill.

If I am the one who invite, the bill will be my responsability. But honestly, I never went out with a guy who did accept to have a woman to pay him dinner.... In some mind it is old fashion, macho, etc. In many minds it is being a gentleman, being THE man. And me liking it very much!

Each their own, some women would feel totally offended by such a behavior. Some other women (like myself) find it a total turn on!

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