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Old 09.04.2011, 13:49
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Thanks!

I know hubby's family (on his mother's side) is from Luzern area, I'm curious how long they've been that region.

My family has quite a rich history in the US (some working with / for Capone, one was an "Old West" era outlaw complete with hanging and of course some more mundane farmers and such), I wonder what "treasures" (stories) of history I'd find in hubby's family.
Thats the way to go. Going treasure hunting in the family history, with the aim of getting a sense were ones people came from and what they were up to. Interesting and fun.

Big difference between that and the "eidgenossen" thingy (aimed at constructing a negative definition which serves mainly to exclude others).


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Well, yes and no.


Yes, I know several who thought they were, but it turned out that I knew way more about Swiss history and migration patterns round Europe over the last few thousand years than they did... (Though, having 4 official languages should have been a big clue to them )

So: No, they now know that there's no such thing as proper Swiss
While I agree that people in general underestimate the migration movements going on in Europe, I'd still say that one can have a (proper) cultural identity as Swiss, or English, French or German for that matter.

Italy is a good example. While on the one hand it is (with the Greeks of course) on of the most culturally rich "countries" in Europe the country itself is a mere 150 years old. I'd still accept that somebody coming from there considers him- or herself as Italian and has a sense of a cultural identity that goes way beyond 1861 or 1870.

Also, why I don't buy into the more romanticised interpretation of the whole "Willensnation", I'd still think that the language is not a defining trait of the swiss nation. You (we) are swiss regardless whether we speak SG, French, Italian or Rumantsch.


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Also passed my old school another time, and in passing observed that the founding of the school predated the old Swiss federal charter of 1291 by four or five decades
So you went to Kanti St. Gallen? I thought you were English?
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Re: Do you know anyone who thinks he's an Eidgenosse?

Eidgendossen is nothing but an old fashioned word and means oath comrades
and therefore those who'd qualify als Eidgenosse nowadays would be those who defend
fight stand up for their little Swissieland as if it would disappear just like that from the face of the earth.
Fanatics and the silly lot.
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Old 09.04.2011, 14:06
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Re: Do you know anyone who thinks he's an Eidgenosse?

This is turning out to be an eidgenosse war with people claiming to be more swiss than others (Is the guy from the Sargans schloss currently winning?).

Well unless your ancestor was one of the people on the mount-what-you-ma-callit holding up those 3 fingers, no one here is an real eidgenosse!

But please do continue fighting, it's very entertaining
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Old 09.04.2011, 14:07
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It depends who you ask. My ancestors once ruled the Sargans castle. My coat of arms is among those painted on the walls.

Next please.
I am a Eidgenosse And I had a Girlfriend in Sevelen/Buchs to proof it
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Old 09.04.2011, 14:15
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Yes.

There is only one exception. If the guy does "Schwingen", then being an "Eidgenosse" means that he is very good at this sport, as he was ranked among the best ones during the tri-annual "Eidgenössisches Schwing- und Älplerfest" (the most important tournament in that sport).
And this brings us to "Hornnusse". Ohh never mind
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Let's realize that the official name of Switzerland is
Schweizerische Eidgenossenschaft
Confédération Suisse
Confederazione Svizzera
Swiss Confederation
Replace the last one by Confederaziun svizra, but thanks for the translation.
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Well unless your ancestor was one of the people on the mount-what-you-ma-callit holding up those 3 fingers, no one here is an real eidgenosse!
That would be a funny argument: My ancestor personally participated in a myth!

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And this brings us to "Hornnusse". Ohh never mind
In oder to make it more marketable, "Hornussen" has been rebranded "Stratospheric Ping-Pong"

Making fun of nationalists who use the label to foster their imagined superiority:

=Possibly great fun.

Making fun of 195cm 125 kg guys who earned the title:

=Possibly great pain.

I was just avoiding liability issues here
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Old 09.04.2011, 14:42
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It depends who you ask. My ancestors once ruled the Sargans castle. My coat of arms is among those painted on the walls.
Next please.
Our coat of arms is on the wall in Werdenberg Castle, despite the drinking problem of my paternal great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather that made him lose his house.
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Wow! I am impressed. Can you trace all the in between generations by name as well? I thought I was doing well to be able to trace back just ten generations.
Two or three first names are missing because, in the course of one of the big Rhine floods, there was some water damage in the archive.

By the way, I made the foreclosure thing up, just for fun, but the rest is true.

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This room is part of my heritage. (Taken at Schloss Sargans)
OMD. That's the place of my wedding reception (first marriage). No kidding. Please don't bring that up again, ok?
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I am a Eidgenosse And I had a Girlfriend in Sevelen/Buchs to proof it
Oh dear. We are citizens of both Buchs and Sevelen, which is a pretty notorious combination, The regional nickname of those folks, used with a wink, was Buschräuber (bush robbers, meaning highway-men).
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This is turning out to be an eidgenosse war with people claiming to be more swiss than others
There's nothing wrong with that. This thread is about Eidgenossen.
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(Is the guy from the Sargans schloss currently winning?).
The guy from Sargans Castle might be a gal, if you'd care to take a closer look.
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Well unless your ancestor was one of the people on the mount-what-you-ma-callit holding up those 3 fingers, no one here is an real eidgenosse!
Wrong. If you take that purist approach, only those three-finger people would qualify. And by the way, that was not ON a mount-whateveryamacallit, but at the very foot of a mountain, just a few steps above the lake shore -- if you want to believe the legend, that is.
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Old 09.04.2011, 14:44
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BTW Where can I get the bumper sticker ??
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Oh dear. We are citizens of both Buchs and Sevelen, which is a pretty notorious combination, The regional nickname of those folks, used with a wink, was Buschräuber (bush robbers, meaning highway-men).


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doe`s Zoog/zoogen ring a bell
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Re: Do you know anyone who thinks he's an Eidgenosse?

Hey Captain Greybeard:

I'll call your bet and raise you.

My family has a family chapel that looks upon the waters of the Vierwaldstättersee (the heart of the Eidgenossen) and built by my great grandfather. We still meet twice a year for our family service there.

PS: That's quite amusing about the Sargan's Castle. I believe my ancestors don't have the best memories of it either.
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Hey Captain Greybeard:

I'll call your bet and raise you.

My family has a family chapel that looks upon the waters of the Vierwaldstättersee (the heart of the Eidgenossen) and built by my great grandfather. We still meet twice a year for our family service there.

PS: That's quite amusing about the Sargan's Castle. I believe my ancestors don't have the best memories of it either.
Can't keep up with you guys (as a Bernese). But I'm pretty sure you guys owe me reparations from the "Sonderbundskrieg", so I'll just confiscate the pot.
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Oh dear. We are citizens of both Buchs and Sevelen, which is a pretty notorious combination, The regional nickname of those folks, used with a wink, was Buschräuber (bush robbers, meaning highway-men).
doe`s Zoog/zoogen ring a bell
I assume you mean Zogg. Sure it does. That clan spread its tentacles even beyond Sargans Castle way into Heidiland, and we still haven't managed to completely eradicate th'm.
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I assume you mean Zogg. Sure it does. That clan spread its tentacles even beyond Sargans Castle way into Heidiland, and we still haven't managed to completely eradicate th'm.
Zogg Yea that`s right
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Unless one is an American Indian everyone in America has immigrant roots. Some were "forced" immigrants. Those who came on the Mayflower and after could be considered "illegals".
On my father's side, our family history goes as far as being on the first ships who cames in America with Colombus. On my mom's side, it goes as far as being native american (The last pure one was my great great grand mother).

Does it change something, nope. It is related to Switzerland, nope. But according of some old Turkish men, my native american blood makes me a Turk. Oui Monsieur! Since the beginning of the humanity is from the African, Indian, Middle East area and since the Native American came to America by crossing the Bering Detroit.... It made us all being the same.... No?
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Genealogy is very interesting, until as said above already, it becomes an exclusion zone. Then it becomes silly, or even dangerous.
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Unless one is an American Indian everyone in America has immigrant roots. Some were "forced" immigrants. Those who came on the Mayflower and after could be considered "illegals".
And where did the Indians come from? Everyone's ancestors were immigrants at some point. Starting from Africa, humans migrated throughout the world. Don't really understand what your point is.
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The term Anglo-Saxon always makes me laugh especially when mentioned by the BNP or EDL.
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Like any illogical point of pride or belief, really. Some of my Swiss friends turn into seemingly different people when they start getting into "who's the more pure Swiss" pissing contests. I can't help but shake my head and laugh at it.

I have an ongoing joke feud with a friend of mine who is proud of being a Valaisan reaching several generations. I'm a Russian dirtying up the Swiss gene pool. He's a descendant of Valaisan cave trolls who's so inbred that he's already losing his hair in his early 20s. Yay for genetic "purity".
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I was driving one day with a friend and the car in front of me had a bumper sticker "ich bin ein Eidgenosse". Intrigued, I asked my friend what that meant and he explained to me that some people believe that there are two types of swiss, eidgenosse being the purest and most authentic form (in other words, according to these people, there are true swiss and "fake" swiss).
Going back to basics, what this really says is "I vote SVP".

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OMD. That's the place of my wedding reception (first marriage). No kidding. Please don't bring that up again, ok?
I've been to a couple of weddings there....was yours one of them?

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Another of the descendants is a local historian and gives guided talks around the castle, we booked him for a party last year. When I see him again I'll ask if he knows Olygirl.
Would be a nice location for a cheese tasting (hint).
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