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Usual is 1 day for funeral of a mother/father/brother/sister (close relative).

3 days without replacement teacher is very inconvenient for 22 mothers/carers who have to change their plans to suit the wants of the kindergarten teacher.
I have been amazed to find that no supply teachers are organised here or in nearby French schools. With the pressure on so many famlies to have both parents employed, surely this has to changed.

In the various countries I have taught in, bereavement leave has varied betwen three and five days, for immediate family members( which has usually included inlaws) that acknowledges some travel, trauma and organisation time.

Other schools have had allowances written into contracts, regarding time allowable for interviews at end of contract, shopping ( from remote places, to the nearest city - between one a term and one a year) and even "personal days" which shows empathy for possible commitments that cannot be dealt with during our fixed school holidays, eg: family weddings, embassy runs..

Most Heads have the authority to allow discretionary days, with or without pay, depending on the personal circumstances eg: travel for conferences or exams; sports events; weddings /funerals etc of relatives or close friends who do not qualify under the "immediate family" phrase; doctor or dentist appointments that could not be arranged for out of school time. I have had term time off for a family wedding and also kindly been given time to compete in a couple of international sports events. When my offsppring were young, I was also able to use my sick leave to stay at home with them, if they were sick.
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Old 15.04.2011, 21:07
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

I think it depends on school and also if you are on good terms with your supervisor and work well, volunteer, go extra mile, chip in team cohesion (and play in the school band). Public schools have sick days you are allowed, anything else shouldn't happen. But, if you never miss work, even if you are slightly sick-ish and work your ass off , the supervisor will gladly arrange a day off for some for a conference or exam that you have to take in a foreign country. Kids love it since they get a day off the regular boot camp . I think the way kids aren't really allowed to miss school in public schools, teachers can't just skip, either.

It's a special twice a year thing, though, and it is always a half day or so. Which means I fly at night, sleep on the plane, blurt my piece out half asleep to completed weirded out audience and run back marathon style, I only spend a few hours in the country and return. It is honestly the only thing I would ask for a special day off (and the obvious family matters).

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Not entirely. I spend very little time in the staff room these days because I can't stand the oh-so-predictable whining of my colleagues.
I don't get this part either. In fact, this is the best place for teachers of the countries I have taught in.
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Might I suggest that one targets one's bitterness towards the school authorities, who ought to have a substitute system in place?

Nobody, even a teacher, 'wants' to go to the funeral of a loved one. And come on, only one day off for your mother's death is inhumane. Maybe people with your opinion should find robots to look after their children, although I fear they would lose the education in respect and compassion they obviously lack at home.
Bitter I am not. True, the school authorities should find replacement teachers - I was always of this opinion. Of course one day off for a funeral of a mother is less than desirable but this a fact in the workforce and not one that I introduced. (The kindergarten teacher in question that I complained about, by the way, was attending the funeral of her GODMOTHER, not her mother) and, because for the whole year my son was in her class she never worked one month without at least 2 days off. Actually she was one of the whining types mentioned in the above post who had never worked in the private sector, on a building site, stacking shelves in a supermarket or working night shift in a factory.

My respect and compassion therefore I reserve for the single mothers and working mothers of her pupils who have to find alternative child-care arrangements at the last minute at a cost to themselves and also for other more deserving causes.
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

Funerals are a difficult case for everybody: if the teacher needs more than the single day off, or the three days off given my the school, going to a doctor and/or psychologist with a medical diploma is enough to make that a much longer sick leave.

But DB asking for a favour to the boss just for a little journey out of the country, that would just look silly in his boss's office. And we don't want DB to look silly. We just don't.
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

Any death is terrible, for sure. I am glad people are allowed to take a day off. I was the first one to sub for a colleague who's family member died, very looooooong 8 classes in one day, unprepared and with no lunch because it was unannounced, so our supervisor didn't have to make so much fuss and force people sub. If somebody's in the family dies, one shouldn't have to walk around the entire school and thank bunch of colleagues for having to sub, so I volunteered. But honestly, people get one single day for this. I am not sure why would a person take 3, for godmother or whoever. It's none of our biz to judge, surely not, but nobody from my school would dream of taking more than a day. And that's for serious stuff like this. And that means the kids stay in school, we sub. I wouldn't know what to think if school didn't provide a sub teacher and sent the kids home for 3 days?! Really? Days?
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"*cough* hello *cough* this Mr. DB, I'm afraid I've come down with the most dreadful dose of the flu *cough, sneeze*. Started on Friday afternoon and has just got progressively worse over the weekend, I don't think I'll be able to make it today, I wouldn't want to infect any of the little shits darling children *cough, splutter, snort, sniff*. With any luck I'll be back in a day or 2 *sneeze*"
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A bit too complicated if you do get the flu a week later, what about
"There is something wrong with my eyes"
"What?"
"I can't see myself coming to work on Monday!!"
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A bit too complicated if you do get the flu a week later, what about
"There is something wrong with my eyes"
"What?"
"I can't see myself coming to work on Monday!!"
That's a joke, isn't it? I don't get English humour right away, sometimes.
I don't know one Swiss colleague who would lie about sickness. Do you lie about that? I can't believe what I am reading... sorry if I look like an old bat with a viking-samurai-out of date honnor, really sorry.
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Old 16.04.2011, 09:17
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

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Last night I was trying to explain to an old friend back in England why I can't attend an event next month. The event will take place on a Sunday morning in an obscure corner of the British Isles, from which it is impossible to return to Switzerland in time to attend work on the following Monday.

I tried to explain that I already get 12 weeks' holiday a year, and that I am unable to take a day off whenever I fancy just to attend events overseas. I reminded him that I even went to work on the morning of my (civil) wedding!

It got me thinking, though, about the kind of policies schools have regarding extraordinary days off. I know that I would be entitled to take a day for my own wedding, for moving house or for certain kinds of funerals. I also suspect that accommodation might be made for taking an afternoon to nip to the embassy or town hall on important business (with prior arrangement, of course!). I cannot imagine any school allowing their staff to swan off for long weekends just to attend the weddings/first communions/anniversary parties of friends in other countries. Given the length of our holidays, I think this is entirely reasonable.

What is the policy in your school?
In Bernese public schools there is a system called "individuelle Persönliche Buchhaltung". This means a teacher can "store" lessons he did in advance (e.g. if he works more lessons than indicated in the contract or if he takes over lessons from a sick collegue.) He can take these lessons whenever he wants provided the head master agrees and another teacher is willing to take over the missed lessons.
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That's a joke, isn't it? I don't get English humour right away, sometimes.
I don't know one Swiss colleague who would lie about sickness. Do you lie about that? I can't believe what I am reading... sorry if I look like an old bat with a viking-samurai-out of date honnor, really sorry.
How would you translate in english "jouer les vierges effarouchées"?
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How would you translate in english "jouer les vierges effarouchées"?
French is fine for me, but if the message is addressed to me personaly, go private.
Do you mean that you don't believe that my Swiss colleagues and I do not "play" sick? You are entitled to your opinion, fine by me. But you are not the one working with them.
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

My experiences - perhaps because I work in the private sector - are somewhat different from yours.

My school is ok with granting time off to go to weddings and other events. It is understood that you have a life outside school and sometimes that life needs to take precedence. Naturally it doesn't expect a wedding to take place every month, but these things do happen.

This has been my experience in all the schools I have taught in, whether in the UK, the UAE, Norway and now Switzerland. I would refuse to work in a school that demanded that the school takes precedence over everything.
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French is fine for me, but if the message is addressed to me personaly, go private.
Do you mean that you don't believe that my Swiss colleagues and I do not "play" sick? You are entitled to your opinion, fine by me. But you are not the one working with them.
what I meant is that sort of things happen everywhere (schools, companies etc....). Now the fact that it does not happen with your colleagues and in your school makes it very exceptional. Good question would be: why is it so exceptional in your school?
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Re: Question for fellow teachers regarding extraordinary days off

Let's say I may be naive, so I am willing to rephrase: If somebody is doing it, they keep it perfectly secret and I don't do it. I feel I have enough hollidays for resting time, and the sick days system works well with real sickness and health problems.

It's a pain to be off work anyway, when you come back, it's all confusion and fact is students were left alone... so it's more student sitting than anything else. Cover work doesn't really work, it be they have a project to finish off or write a test. There is normally a subject teacher in the classroom, that's for a very good reasons in the first place.
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"*cough* hello *cough* this Mr. DB, I'm afraid I've come down with the most dreadful dose of the flu *cough, sneeze*. Started on Friday afternoon and has just got progressively worse over the weekend, I don't think I'll be able to make it today, I wouldn't want to infect any of the little shits darling children *cough, splutter, snort, sniff*. With any luck I'll be back in a day or 2 *sneeze*"
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Right, now where's the sodding corkscrew?
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