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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

When Switzerland (and other countries) accepted a large number of refugees from Kosovo, this was clearly declared to be a temporary measure until the conflict would calm down. Kosovo is now no longer a war zone. The economy may not be doing well, but this is not a reason for seeking asylum.

For the individuals who have to return home, this may be tough. But by hanging on and not respecting the conditions of their temporary stay, they are making it more difficult for new refugees to be accepted.
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

Apparently the rules changed for German citizenship in 1990 - if you are born there you are eligible. Since she is 13/14 and her parents lived in Germany for the last 20 years this is probably her case.
I think we all agree in theory that people should live where they have permission and it is overoptimistic to make a life but when it comes to people we know we feel the situation is special! Humanity makes us subjective - and it is only right and proper. There is no solution that can satisfy us!
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When Switzerland (and other countries) accepted a large number of refugees from Kosovo, this was clearly declared to be a temporary measure until the conflict would calm down.
so why are so many of them still here?
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so why are so many of them still here?
Who are you???
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What I find difficult to understand is why the German authorities decided to ask them to leave after 20 years of living there?
information is being withheld here, being expelled after 20 years is just impossible
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Old 14.04.2011, 22:13
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The not so little girl (she's 14) is definitely a German citizen, with a German passport. For some reason though, the parents have been denied residency in Germany. Another point that's come to light, is that if they'd managed to stay a little longer in CH, their status here would have been such that they could not be deported to Germany or anywhere else.
No, it doesn't work that way.

Refugees must apply for asylum in the first country they arrive in, and that wasn't here. If you are rejected, you are rejected, no right to apply to another country.

Like it or not, that is European law (which I personally voted against, I really dislike the EU folks forcing their ideas down our throats)

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Old 14.04.2011, 22:15
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

Sure. But it's possible that I some of the details are not quite accurate... I'm getting this second hand from a distressed teenager! It does seem that we are not in possession of all the facts.

So, I've very much appreciated the input from folks who do have knowledge how it works.
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

I can only imagine what kind of desperation would drive a family to do such a silly thing as withhold information from Swiss authorities and unfortunately not only the family has been affected but people surrounding them.
I do believe in legal immigration and that illegal immigration is just wrong but I am also human and understand that crazy situations could make someone do crazy things...hopefully everything will get back to normal but I guess your little girl has lost a friend and must be in shock...
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

This issue is a very hot topic in many countries, not just Switzerland.

It shows the difficulties that immigrant parents, children, and citizens
of the host countries face. The little girl probably feels more at home
in Switzerland/Germany than Kosovo. She will probably treated like
an "Auslander" there.
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Old 14.04.2011, 22:33
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What I find difficult to understand is why the German authorities decided to ask them to leave after 20 years of living there?
There is a big controversy going at the moment in Germany; they are sending back around 15 000 Romas who have been living for many years in Germany back to Kosovo.
It might be this little girls family were Romas, and so affected by a deal Kosovo and Germany have agreed on last year.

Links to German Newspaper Articles

(Sorry, I haven't found any articles in English about this topic.)
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they are sending back around 15 000 Romas who have been living for many years in Germany back to Kosovo.
Where, of course, they won't be persecuted at all...

What is it with governments and easy targets, eh?
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Old 14.04.2011, 22:44
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

if you think its ok to move to Europe or Switzerland illegally, then you should have no trouble advising them to move to England illegally

is it possible as fluent German speakers they did not know the rules here in Switzerland?

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not knowing german has not stopped people from moving to Switzerland.. likewise no English does not stop people from moving to England, but i guess you knew that.. if I were desperate.. England with its immigaration loopholes seems like a clever destination..
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Old 14.04.2011, 22:49
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Thanks to Schengen, the Swiss had no choice in the matter. If the Germans decide they had to go back, the Swiss have to accept that.
How is that?
Is one of the Schengen conditions that member countries lose their discretion on whom to grant residence or work permits?

I may be missing something here (I haven't read the full text of the agreement), but as far as I know Schengen governs travel between member countries and common rules on border security cooperation, but not residence rights. So Germany can supposedly (ignoring other issues mentioned) decide the they have no right of residence and force them to go -- but can it prohibit them from then going to Switzerland? If Switzerland decides to grant them a residence permit, how are they different from us Ausländer?

Of course if Switzerland grants them a residence permit, it also assumes responsibility, since they can then as residents of a Schengen country freely travel to other Schengen countries including Germany, but that says nothing about living or working in Germany or anywhere other than Switzerland.
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

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Where, of course, they won't be persecuted at all...

What is it with governments and easy targets, eh?
Yes, I know, very tragic situation for them.

Further to a journalist today on German tv, it was reported, Romas aren't accepted in the local schoolsystem in Kosovo, and the unemployment rate among adults is almost up to 100%.

And I got the number wrong, it is actually even 85 000 Romas in Germany, and 2/3 of them will be deported.

Fingers crossed this will in some way be stopped.
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

As for the particular case described by original poster -- I think that's very sad for the family and their friends here.

None of us really knows the full formal details, but my understanding is they did not break the law when coming here (as they could get housing and schooling, which is near impossible without legal status), and were already integrating for a while without being a burden on welfare or society, in which case -- regardless of the circumstances that brought them here (or to Germany) in the first place -- I'd like such people to have legal permits to stay.
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Many people were born in "in the wrong country" but we made out way here legally! It's obvious that the whole world cannot fit inside Switzerland so I am glad the authorities are doing their job.

How is going back to Kosovo such a bad thing if they someone is originally from there?
My understanding is that not "the whole world" actually wants to live in Switzerland.
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My understanding is that not "the whole world" actually wants to live in Switzerland.
...and if they did, they would have to go to Basel. That's where everybody goes before they can fit into normal Switzerland isn't it ?

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I can only imagine what kind of desperation would drive a family to do such a silly thing as withhold information from Swiss authorities...
They didn't. Keep up at the back.

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if you think its ok to move to Europe or Switzerland illegally.
I don't. I shouldn't be surprised, I suppose, that some people find it difficult to understand that on the one hand I can accept that the law sometimes demands hard decisions, while on the other hand I can feel compassion for those subject to those decisions. However in this case, they did not move to Germany illegally. They were not granted permission to stay. They were not in Switzerland illegally, and they did follow the local rules.

Interesting point about the Romas.
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However in this case, they did not move to Germany illegally. They were not granted permission to stay. They were not in Switzerland illegally, and they did follow the local rules.
Careful. None of us really know the real background of the family mentioned. What you are reporting is heresay.

My heart goes out to the family and children. They are the victims in such a situation.

Wouldn't it be a wonderful world if the idea of refugees were a thing of the past?
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So Germany can supposedly (ignoring other issues mentioned) decide the they have no right of residence and force them to go -- but can it prohibit them from then going to Switzerland?
Yes. If they are required to leave a Schengen country, they must leave to a non-Schengen country before entereing another Schengen country. If they then apply for and receive a visa to enter CH or other Schengen country, then they can do so.

DublinII means that if they applied for refugee status in one country, and are denied, they cannot then go to another and try again.

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