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Careful. None of us really know the real background of the family mentioned. What you are reporting is heresay. ...
What I am reporting is, as I have said, second hand information from my daughter - and so may well contain inaccuracies and misunderstandings. However, the source of her information has/had official involvement with the family. So we can be fairly sure of the following:

1. The family were in German 20 years.
2. They were denied permission to settle and were to be deported
3. They fled to Switzerland
4. They were given permission to stay
5. When the German authorities found out what happened, they demanded the family be handed over
6. In the small hours of yesterday, the police took the family away.

We've had a text message from the girl. She says she is tired, and misses her friends.
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Old 15.04.2011, 10:40
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

its not that I have a lack of compassion for people who have to leave a country, its the whole letting it get to a deportation that has maybe rung a warning bell for me about the people involved.

I cant imagine my parents putting me through this, would your parents put you in that position or would you put your children in that position? I don't have so much compassion for this sort of parenting.

so this just got on my nerves and yes i know i do need to chill.. but not before asking

what does the word deported (at public expense) mean to you?

waiting till you and your child get deported is not a normal act .. is it ?
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waiting till you and your child get deported is not a normal act .. is it ?
We don't know what the situation was like in the home country. I guess it was the lesser of the two evils. Kosovo 20 years ago was a bit different to Kosovo today. Yes, they could have looked at the situation when the war ended but by then they were settled in Germany and their daughter is more German than Kosovan. Must have been a bit uncomfortable for mum and dad to be living in constant fear they were going to be rumbled, though.
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Old 15.04.2011, 10:59
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

No posts from Monty for a while.... he must be off reading The Mail and The Express to find out what his opinion should be.
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No posts from Monty for a while.... he must be off reading The Mail and The Express to find out what his opinion should be.
The clue is under his name...he got banned
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Old 15.04.2011, 11:28
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...and either desperation or stupidity or both on the part of the parents.

One is left to wonder how they avoided the repeated need to show permits when registering for accommodation and schooling etc...
Just a small point but schooling is available to all whether or not in the country legally.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:09
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I can only imagine what kind of desperation would drive a family to do such a silly thing as withhold information from Swiss authorities and unfortunately not only the family has been affected but people surrounding them.
I do believe in legal immigration and that illegal immigration is just wrong but I am also human and understand that crazy situations could make someone do crazy things...hopefully everything will get back to normal but I guess your little girl has lost a friend and must be in shock...
It's not the end of the world. The war in Kosovo is over. They've now got their independence with all the niceties and not so niceties that come with it. When they get there it will be a different country to the place they left.

To suggest it is somehow inhumane to send people to Kosovo is to suggest that Switzerland must be an infinitely better country than Kosovo. I wonder if that's a tad racist.
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its not that I have a lack of compassion for people who have to leave a country...
Good. It's just that your comment "if you think its ok to move to Europe or Switzerland illegally..." etc. implies that anyone showing compassion is obviously a bleeding heart, tree-hugging, sandel-wearing, well-meaning Guardian reading, let 'em all in, no borders, won't someone consider the children, bearded hippy type.

It wouldn't be impossible that the parents considered that the risks involved in moving to Switzerland, were fewer, and the benefits greater, for themselves and their daughter, than moving to the mafia controlled state they left some twenty years earlier.

Sending people to Kosovo isn't the inhumanity, in my book. It's the deciding to send them back 20 years after they arrived! Nothing to do with racism.

btw - in the Times there were reports that Bosnia might be about to kick off again. The usual politician, whipping up nationalism, wanting to have his own state, scenario.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:11
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Just a small point but schooling is available to all whether or not in the country legally.
could be, but I think if I were here illegally I would avoid any contact with officialdom just in case somebody asks. The less of a paper trail you create, the less likely anybody is to notice you are here.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:11
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I cant imagine my parents putting me through this, would your parents put you in that position or would you put your children in that position? I don't have so much compassion for this sort of parenting.
I think that is a rather harsh judgment given the facts that NotAllThere has presented. The parents have been in Germany legally for many years. The child is essentially German. The German authorities decide to expel the family. Rather than accepting this, they took the risk and crossed the border to Switzerland hoping that they could settle here. This would then violate the Dublin rule, but given the situation in Kosovo which I hear from Kosovar friends is NOT favourable (no jobs, lots of corruption and crime), they were trying their best to keep their daughter under the conditions that she had become accustomed to. Given the facts, I would have done the same thing.

Their plan nearly worked out as it appears that Switzerland had accepted them. But unfortunately, the German authorities were much more diligent in enforcing the Dublin rule. It is truly unfortunate. I would hope that the Germans will reconsider and allow the family to settle in Germany.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:34
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

Extradition and co-operation with neighboring countries is still a "you scratch my back..." case of foreign diplomacy as much as swapping private bank information has traditionally been. Take a look at the Polanski case and try and figure out why Switzerland felt it had to be the USA's extended foreign police servant (something to do with UBS being threatened with high penalties) and then see what Switzerland has to gain with ignoring Germany's request in this extradition case, sorry to be harsh, but absolutely nothing.

Switzerland (like any other nation protecting its national interests first) will wait for a big fish to get caught before diplomatic wheeling and dealing take place (let's say a nice bank employee whistle blower for example). Not nice for NotAllThere's daughter's chum, but it would be the same in any other country and it won't make headlines.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:36
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Not nice for NotAllThere's daughter's chum, but it would be the same in any other country and it won't make headlines.
Elian Gonzalez did, Florence Cassez also did. just sayin.
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Old 15.04.2011, 12:55
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I think that is a rather harsh judgment given the facts that NotAllThere has presented. The parents have been in Germany legally for many years. The child is essentially German. The German authorities decide to expel the family. Rather than accepting this, they took the risk and crossed the border to Switzerland hoping that they could settle here. This would then violate the Dublin rule, but given the situation in Kosovo which I hear from Kosovar friends is NOT favourable (no jobs, lots of corruption and crime), they were trying their best to keep their daughter under the conditions that she had become accustomed to. Given the facts, I would have done the same thing.

Their plan nearly worked out as it appears that Switzerland had accepted them. But unfortunately, the German authorities were much more diligent in enforcing the Dublin rule. It is truly unfortunate. I would hope that the Germans will reconsider and allow the family to settle in Germany.
I would have done the same too. For the sake of our kids, many parents are ready to take all the risks to give them the best chances for a better life.
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Old 15.04.2011, 14:37
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Not in the South anyway

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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

Its a real shame that a citizen of the EU has been deported from Switzerland. I wonder if she attempted to claim residency here on her own right would she be accepted? Might not really be an option as her parents would still be living in Germany as presumably there have no entitlement to live in Switzerland now.

Also, Monty Brogan can you confirm my suspicion that you are from Northern Ireland as opposed to the Republic? I have read through your posts on other topics and suspect that (you refer to football rather than soccer, talk about BBC radio and prefer the English pub in Geneva to the Irish pub*). If that's the case I find to even more shameful that someone from Northern Ireland cannot emphasis with the plight of Kosovans.
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Which immigration loopholes in particular? Can you name a few?

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Old 15.04.2011, 14:43
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Its a real shame that a citizen of the EU has been deported from Switzerland. I wonder if she attempted to claim residency here on her own right would she be accepted? Might not really be an option as her parents would still be living in Germany as presumably there have no entitlement to live in Switzerland now. ...
Germany wanted to deport them. They fled to CH who were prepared to shelter them. Germany demanded them back, in order to deport them. CH had to comply. Girl could have stayed in CH if she'd wanted to. It's the parents' status that's problematic.
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It's the deciding to send them back 20 years after they arrived!
I somehow thought there were some rules stating that if you've spent X years in a country you're good... Of course this would only encourage people to sneak in and try to hide for a while... But, though I'm not saying people should be coming and going uncontrolled (or unregistered, rather), deporting them after twenty years just sounds crazy... Wonder where they're going "home"... I'm just trying to imagine what my family would do with my Australian relatives (all '56 asylum seekers) being "given back" to them... They'd be having language problems at the least...
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Re: "My best friend just got deported"

I cant say that the people involved acted as below, there are only posts that suspect this but what I can see is that there are many of you who support one or all three of these behaviours and would most likely do the same.

- use 'wait and see if you get deported' as an asylum strategy
- having a child means you dont have to follow the law. right nil and suisse2008?
- use your child as an emotive pawn to improve your asylum chances.

hard to believe I am indeed a tree-hugging etc eh..

I just think the behaviour above (not the tree hugging) is a bit dodgy and not easily defensible.

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I cant say that the people involved acted as below, there are only posts that suspect this but what I can see is that there are many of you who support one or all three of these behaviours and would most likely do the same.

- use 'wait and see if you get deported' as an asylum strategy
- have a child because then you dont have to follow the law. right nil and suisse2008?
- use your child as an emotive pawn to improve your asylum chances.

hard to believe I am indeed a tree-hugging etc eh..

I just think the behaviour above (not the tree hugging) is a bit dodgy and not easily defensible.
So your mind made up the fact that they had a child because of their asylum status and now you're following your logic to nowhere?!
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