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Re: American needs help from someone in Zurich or Hergiswil

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That's impressive. Don't Europeans have a joke that goes something like, "What do you call someone who can speak three languages? Trilingual. What do you call someone who can speak two languages? Bilingual. What do call someone who can only speak one language? French."
That's how it's told in these parts .
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Instead of being a smart ass, do you want to ask an actual question?
Says the person who was unable to answer questions 50+ posts ago - and is unable to click on a simple link in order to re-read the questions

I am beginning to see why you had to get everyone else to do your investigation for you.
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Re: American needs help from someone in Zurich or Hergiswil

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Instead of being a smart ass, do you want to ask an actual question?
Can I please Sir? Who are you?
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Wow - just noted that Magnum has transitioned from Newbie to Junior Member in only a single thread. Is that some kind of record?
He joins an elite group who have done this.
No-one has, as yet, become a Forum Legend under the same process though. Time will tell.
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Can I please Sir? Who are you?
Can I answer?

Magnum is a spy, working for the Independent Commission of Extraordinary Security (ICES). He has been assigned to follow a lead in Switzerland, alongside his associates Mr Whippy and Juicy Lucy.

Now I've blown his cover, he'll have to have me iced.
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Says the person who was unable to answer questions 50+ posts ago - and is unable to click on a simple link in order to re-read the questions

I am beginning to see why you had to get everyone else to do your investigation for you.
Wow, thanks. After all these years on the internet someone finally explained to me what those colored hyperlinks are and how to use them. You're a genius.

You asked 3 questions:

On whose behalf are you investigating?
What do you want, the guy's name and number?

Why don't you go through the proper legal channels? Both internationally and within Swizterland?
Answered.

So, how about the full story?
Short version, a guy who claims to be in Switzerland (Hergiswil) approaches investors in the U.S. with a "business opportunity". Once investor agrees, funds are wired into a Swiss bank account to a company (Sigalus, in Zurich) that claims to be involved in another financial transaction. When transaction for Sigalus is completed, funds are to be repaid to individual in Hergiswil, who then repays investor in U.S., or U.K., or wherever else they are. Various excuses are made, money is never repaid. They keep it on a small enough scale where authorities are not concerned enough to do anything about it, but repeat the scheme multiple times.
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Can I please Sir? Who are you?
I'm someone who hates seeing bad things happen to good people, and hates even more letting bad people go unpunished.
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I'm someone who hates seeing bad things happen to good people, and hates even more letting bad people go unpunished.
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You have an organization in Switzerland called FINMA that is in charge of regulating these type of companies. They focus of cases of large scale fraud involving financial institutions, not individual companies...
You are wrong; they supervise individual companies, and also instigate proceedings in regard to non-supervised companies.
http://www.finma.ch/e/faq/privaten/P...-aufsicht.aspx
http://www.finma.ch/e/faq/privaten/P...ewilligte.aspx

What they don't do, however, is accept semi-anonymous complaints, or share information or results of ongoing investigation with the complainant. As such I don't blame you for not wanting to approach them. Much nicer to play Internet Detective on your own!
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Magnum is a spy, working for the Independent Commission of Extraordinary Security (ICES). He has been assigned to follow a lead in Switzerland, alongside his associates Mr Whippy and Juicy Lucy.

Now I've blown his cover, he'll have to have me iced.
Crap, you guys got me. Now I'll have to add finding you to my "To Do" list.

Now that I've got this whole phone number and address thing down, it should be no problem.
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So, how about the full story?
Short version, a guy who claims to be in Switzerland (Hergiswil) approaches investors in the U.S. with a "business opportunity". Once investor agrees, funds are wired into a Swiss bank account to a company (Sigalus, in Zurich) that claims to be involved in another financial transaction. When transaction for Sigalus is completed, funds are to be repaid to individual in Hergiswil, who then repays investor in U.S., or U.K., or wherever else they are. Various excuses are made, money is never repaid. They keep it on a small enough scale where authorities are not concerned enough to do anything about it, but repeat the scheme multiple times.
Ok, the guy is maybe physically in Hergiswil - in a hotel to be precise. The financial institute is more than fishy... on the first sight of their website... honestly: Did the investor not look at all who he is doing business with?
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I didn't realize I was ice cream.

Over here, Magnums are also condoms, but I'd prefer not to be associated with that.

Magnum, P.I. was a TV show we had in the 80's, and due to some unfortunate similarities, the nickname was given to me.
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Re: American needs help from someone in Zurich or Hergiswil

Possible explanation #1
At date X0, person N transfers amount i0 (USD) at rate c0 to company Y.

At date X1, company Y transfers amount i0/c1 to person N.

At date X1 i1 doesn't equal i0 because c1 does not equal i1

Person N calls in investigator U (for useless) to find out where their i0-i1 went.

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I'm someone who hates seeing bad things happen to good people, and hates even more letting bad people go unpunished.
And why not, eh? Some Americans have even gone to war based on that philosophy haven't they?
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Crap, you guys got me. Now I'll have to add finding you to my "To Do" list.

Now that I've got this whole phone number and address thing down, it should be no problem.
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You are wrong; they supervise individual companies, and also instigate proceedings in regard to non-supervised companies.
http://www.finma.ch/e/faq/privaten/P...-aufsicht.aspx
http://www.finma.ch/e/faq/privaten/P...ewilligte.aspx

What they don't do, however, is accept semi-anonymous complaints, or share information or results of ongoing investigation with the complainant. As such I don't blame you for not wanting to approach them. Much nicer to play Internet Detective on your own!
Thanks, but the information you have is incorrect. You can't trust everything you read on the internet. We have already contacted FINMA and presented the case, as well as received their response. The company we are dealing with is monitored by a Self-Regulated Organization (SRO), which agrees to act as something of a watchdog agency for FINMA.
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Ok, the guy is maybe physically in Hergiswil - in a hotel to be precise. The financial institute is more than fishy... on the first sight of their website... honestly: Did the investor not look at all who he is doing business with?
The guy actually isn't even in Hergiswil. International cell phones and calling cards are used, so he could be anywhere.

The financial "institution" has the proper registration and credentials through the government, even if they do have a bad website. The individual claiming to be in Hergiswil has a legitimate company set up in the U.S. that also has the proper credentialing through all the necessary government agencies.

Upon intial inspection, everything seems to be legitimate to anyone doing any casual research. Plus the lure of significant ROI tends to cloud people's judgement.
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And why not, eh? Some Americans have even gone to war based on that philosophy haven't they?
Our country is so screwed up politically it would be hard for me to defend anything our "leaders" have done.

Fortunately, most people here don't agree with anything the politicians do.

Unfortunately, we've got only two choices, and elections come down to not choosing the best option, but instead picking the lesser of two evils.
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