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Accordion maybe

I have started accordion lessons yesterday, wearing Strumpfhosen and a silly hat. I also wear a large golden ring in my left hear (men) or wear the curtain (ladies).

Am I on the right path?
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Old 28.04.2011, 16:53
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I have started accordion lessons yesterday, wearing Strumpfhosen and a silly hat. I also wear a large golden ring in my left hear (men) or wear the curtain (ladies).

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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

A piano accordion is for wimps and .. East Europeans (no offense intended)- my British OH is learning the real thing, the chromatic accordion (the little Schwitzoise is just too difficult) - he is fortunate to have a Swiss champion as a teacher, lol. Amazing how much it has indeed helped his integration with the locals though.
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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

Im obviously being thick and only having been here 3 months havent a scooby what Im talking about, but...wtf are you lot on about?

Integrated?

This place is no different than when you left home and went to Uni.
When you left Uni and went to a new town and your first job.

The same basic life rules apply each time. Find local pubs, find local foodstores, get tv, get internet, job jobbed. Yes the Swiss can be little more reserved than the Germans, Italians, Yanks, other Brits and random other ex-pats around, but they soon get over it when you make a point of addressing them as "oi you miserable git" with a smile on your face and see that you address your German work colleagues/friends as Hermann the German or Hitler or the Italian guy next to you as Mussolini.

People are the same all over the world, you just need to know how to talk to them and not give a crap what they think of you because at the end of the day an offer to buy a pint resolves pretty much 99% of problems.
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Old 30.04.2011, 01:39
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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

Ah..but most Swiss need a 3 week advance appointment if you want to buy them a pint...

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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

The potential for successful integration in Switzerland is inversely proportional to the time spent on EF.
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Ah..but most Swiss need a 3 week advance appointment if you want to buy them a pint...

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Which Swiss? Not the ones I know - not me either - you can pop in and have a beer any day
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rubbish! if some one wants to buy me a pint... I won't keep them!
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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

I think I am starting to be a little integrated. I would suggest the following:
1. Marry Swiss national
2. Have half Swiss national offspring with aforementioned Swiss national
3. Learn German.

In all seriousness I think learning the local language wherever you may be and joining some local hobby based clubs are the best starting points. EF is substitute for a real conversations as so rightly already observed.

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rubbish! if some one wants to buy me a pint... I won't keep them!
Maybe not "most Swiss," as Nick put it, but annoyingly many, particularly in the German speaking part. They (me included, to be honest) lack spontaneity and want everything to be planned two months ahead, because there is no room for improvisation. Improvisation means something could go wrong.

On the other hand, in Greece, for instance, two people sit in their back yard having dinner; another guy walks by on the other side of the fence, says "Kalí órexi" (bon appetit), and half an hour later there are twenty people having fun in the backyard. Another four hours later, there still are twenty people, but only five of them are the same as the ones four hours earlier. Some of those went home, some went to another place, others dropped in etc.. Not enough wine? No problem, lemme get some, be back in ten minutes.

Downright impossible in Switzerland, except with people with a mediterranean (or, at the very least, definitely not a Swiss German) background.
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Sounds like our house today - impromptu BBQ with friends who just 'popped in' then neighbours joining in, mandolin, accordion- mayhem ... great. We are a long way from Greece
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Maybe not "most Swiss," as Nick put it, but annoyingly many, particularly in the German speaking part. They (me included, to be honest) lack spontaneity and want everything to be planned two months ahead, because there is no room for improvisation. Improvisation means something could go wrong.

On the other hand, in Greece, for instance, two people sit in their back yard having dinner; another guy walks by on the other side of the fence, says "Kalí órexi" (bon appetit), and half an hour later there are twenty people having fun in the backyard. Another four hours later, there still are twenty people, but only five of them are the same as the ones four hours earlier. Some of those went home, some went to another place, others dropped in etc.. Not enough wine? No problem, lemme get some, be back in ten minutes.

Downright impossible in Switzerland, except with people with a mediterranean (or, at the very least, definitely not a Swiss German) background.
Annoying in a way it may be. But to have things organized well in advance HAS its advantages. I already now know
- that the Secondary Class reunion will be on 28th June
- that the meeting with my sister in law will be on 1st August
- that the Year-end meeting of the club will be in late November

While some "flexibility" IS around in all three cases, it for sure will not be as in the Greek thing above
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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

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Annoying in a way it may be. But to have things organized well in advance HAS its advantages. I already now know
- that the Secondary Class reunion will be on 28th June
- that the meeting with my sister in law will be on 1st August
- that the Year-end meeting of the club will be in late November

While some "flexibility" IS around in all three cases, it for sure will not be as in the Greek thing above
I totally agree. Of course carefully planning things ahead does have advantages, but NOT having a blast just because it has not been planned in advance means missing something.
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I totally agree. Of course carefully planning things ahead does have advantages, but NOT having a blast just because it has not been planned in advance means missing something.
In case of past class-reunions, the date and location each time was fixed long before, but the past the "official" we always had ad-hoc extensions, including up to four different locations, and they were far more fun that the official thing. In case of my sister-in-law, you never know before who all you may meet there. The "year-end-meal" however is generally fixed as the arrangement is complicated, involving up to 30 people who live and work in quite different locations and only share the common interest in our aviation magazine.
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Re: Breaking down integration barriers: your opinion?

Fair point. I am interested in politics and I have researched, read about and listened to at least some of the parties here in Geneva... unfortunately, I've got to wait for another 8 years before I'm allowed to vote in any local election. Still, every alliance where I live threw on fantastic buffets with lots of wine to present their political programmes, so at least I got a nice drink (or two) while working out who is who in the local politics. I also now know to watch out for those MCG bonkers (I'm sure there is an equivalent in the German speaking part of CH.

Like you though, I don't feel I could ever become Swiss, even though after 9 months, I feel pretty well integrated and as a family we have made very good friends among our neighbours. I love a lot of what I've seen and experienced, but it is true that when you start getting used to a routine, coping with packed trams and buses, pay your taxes etc..., the magic of the beginning starts to fade a little. I would say this probably applies to whichever country you'd move to. But there is still so much that CH has to offer and, especially when you've got children, I still am convinced that our move from the U.K. is the best thing we've ever done!
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Simple question about the subject... how many of us (foreigners) belong to a political party in Switzerland?

How many of us know the name of our city major? How many can name more than one federal councillors or the current president? How many do charity?

etc... etc.. etc..

I know I can make an effort, I knew all those things in my home country and I wasn't even remotely interested in politics.

The same goes for the history of the country, literature and basically any other subject covered in primary school.

On the other hand, I know the language, I went to one of their schools for higher learning, work for a swiss company, pay taxes, try to buy local products, use the public transport, always say please and thank you, try to talk and be polite to elder people, don't cross the street on a red light, I am 3 minutes early for my appoints and basically follow the rules to the best of my knowledge.

Will I one day become 'Swiss'? Of course not! ... not even if I acquire the right to vote at a federal level and not even if I wanted (which I don't). How could I become Swiss? That's non-sense.

Even if I do and learn everything I mentioned before, would I be better integrated? would they even realize if I know the name of the first seven members of the council in 1848? Would that be even useful in cocktail parties? Why would I bother when the random person on the street is as clueless as I am?

I don't like the people that don't make the slightest effort when living in a different country. What's the point of moving if you want to behave exactly as you did back home? Wouldn't it be better if you went back home?

That said... what the frack do they want when they ask for better integration?
a higher intake of cheese and chocolates?
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I'm on speaking terms with the horse that lives next door ... does that count``
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Hi Wolli,

But these are all a bit different from your mate ringing the doorbell and asking if you fancy nipping out for a swift pint.

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Annoying in a way it may be. But to have things organized well in advance HAS its advantages. I already now know
- that the Secondary Class reunion will be on 28th June
- that the meeting with my sister in law will be on 1st August
- that the Year-end meeting of the club will be in late November

While some "flexibility" IS around in all three cases, it for sure will not be as in the Greek thing above
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I'll be there in 10 minutes.

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Where are you? I've even got my best bottle of absinthe out, made round the corner. But plenty of beer here too.
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