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Old 16.05.2011, 13:56
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Hi Twickers,
If you are planning to stay for longer than a couple of years, I recommend you send your kids to a public school. They will probably learn the language within half a year, soon get to know the kids in your area and therefore integrate much faster than if you send them to an international school.

My kids were 4 and 7 years old when we moved here from Sweden 2 years ago, and they are now fully integrated and very happy to live here. The first 6 months were quite tough though, and it´s impossible to predict how the kids are going to react to the change. I thought my oldest son, who used to be quite shy, would have a more difficult time than the "wild and crazy" 4-year old. As it turns out, it was the other way around.

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Old 16.05.2011, 14:32
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Hi Twickers,
If you are planning to stay for longer than a couple of years, I recommend you send your kids to a public school. They will probably learn the language within half a year, soon get to know the kids in your area and therefore integrate much faster than if you send them to an international school.
I would second the above, and suggest state schools.

Costs wise, if you are paying for schooling yourself, I guess you need to put aside 35K chf per child per year for private school fees, including trips, gear, registration, etc. Gross that up, and I guess you need 210 to 250K chf income to do it comfortably, given you need a 3 bed apartment in a decent location, etc. BTW, are school fees tax deductible here?
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Hi

Those who are here came for a good reason and will encourage you to come. Those who left probably dit it for a good reason: check the "Leaving Switzerland" thread and ask for advice.

Welcome anyway
Nope. I love Switzerland. I consider it my home and I can't wait to get back. But I would NOT encourage everyone to come. Traveling and living away from home is not for everyone.

The free movement thing really makes people think they must live abroad. But I would guess most of these moves are disastrous. When moving was difficult only the die hards moved.

If you can't cope without a "jacket potato" (or whatever) exactly like it is at home, take holidays abroad but don't ever move abroad.
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.
We moved about a year ago and can't believe how amazing it is to live here.
For some reason they pay you extra to live in paradise.
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Well, if you are coming from London, then you will only be slightly shocked about the high prices! I found that the hardest to get used to, and of course the language, do not expect everyone to speak English, however people are very friendly, and in the smaller towns, really go out of their way to help you out!
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Right here!
aren't we a bit full here in CH? just read all the cries about overpopulation of CH, quality of life decreasing and need to control immigration.
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Old 17.05.2011, 10:43
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aren't we a bit full here in CH? just read all the cries about overpopulation of CH, quality of life decreasing and need to control immigration.
You can never be too full for to have another beer according to some people... even if it's only Tuesday morning!
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Old 17.05.2011, 11:34
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Re shopping and the cost of it....

if you are able to swallow your pride then Aldi's and Lidl's are popping up all over the place like a rash and I would say that a majority of their products are cheaper than the Swiss shops.

Just don't tell your Swiss neighbours where you have been
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Old 17.05.2011, 14:35
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Re shopping and the cost of it....

if you are able to swallow your pride then Aldi's and Lidl's are popping up all over the place like a rash and I would say that a majority of their products are cheaper than the Swiss shops.

Just don't tell your Swiss neighbours where you have been
I wave my aldi bags around with pride ....
Along withe the Real and Kaufland ones .....
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

We moved here from Nottingham with 2 cats, 2 kids and wife diagnosed with breast cancer 2 weeks before departure. You could say it was a stressful move! Yet, we never looked back and this is the best thing we've ever done. Quality of life surpasses everything we had expected. Housing (we live just outside Geneva) is shockingly high but use local newspapers as well as websites, you usually find better deals. Geneva is the most expensive city in terms of housing, so Zurich or Zug will be more affordable. If you take 100 as an index for cost of living in the U.K, Switzerland is 150 on average (180 for meat, 220 for beef), but once you settle in, you find local farms (fruits and vegs boxes delivered to your door is increasingly popular) and where to go for best deals. Buy local, the Swiss are brilliant at it.

Schooling: all depends on the personality of your children. We lived in Germany for two years and at the time our son who was nine was thrown in at the deep end (with no German) and did brilliantly well (he still speaks German at 16 like a native speaker), but for our daughter who is 10 now, we knew she'd struggle a lot more, and here she is at the international school. You (and your banker!) knows what's best for your children, take time to study all your options carefully.

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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Are we already talking about 120k a year or should I wait another 10 posts?
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

IMO a very important question to ask (if not the first one) is not about Switzerland but about your will/capacity to leave/give up UK, your family, friends, home, food, regular activities etc...and if you can cope with a different day life, learn a foreign language etc...

I'm one of the locals here and I notice while reading the Complaints corner on EF (interesting look on my country) that foreigner often assimilate moving to Switzerland as an exchange of hell at home for paradise here. After a while they realise that there is also heaven in their home country. Deception is then obvious.

Leaving your country means leaving hell (or negative aspects) and heaven behind, and find heaven and hell in the new one, here Switzerland. Are you ready for that ?

I wish some expats for whom life here is hard would have taken the time
to answer "Yes" to that question before moving here.

I wish you good luck and, if things go well for you ...willkommen/bienvenue/benvenuti with anticipation!
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Old 17.05.2011, 21:41
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

As a German colleague of mine put it: "Switzerland is one of my favorite countries, and I always wished I could move there. However, the problem with living in Switzerland is the Swiss".

I lived here for 2 years and I have earned good money and made good friends... none of them were Swiss.
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Old 17.05.2011, 21:49
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As a German colleague of mine put it: "Switzerland is one of my favorite countries, and I always wished I could move there. However, the problem with living in Switzerland is the Swiss".

I lived here for 2 years and I have earned good money and made good friends... none of them were Swiss.
Strong generalisation - been here 3.5 years and have a few solid Swiss friends. It takes a little bit more effort to break the ice, as they are into very long term relationships and might appear cold in the beginning - at least, that is what I've experienced thusfar.
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

I have many Swiss friends who'd say the same about the US.
When I visited the US, I kept my heart and mind open. I met some dreadful Armericans- but also some incredibly interesting and friendly ones. Perhaps not making any Swiss friends says more about your attitude. Why come here... if you do not want to be here, don't want to meet people and find out who they are and how they tick. And don't tell me all Swiss are the same- they are no more the same as Americans or Brits. It takes all sorts. Why be slaves to your 'good money'?
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

It's a very obvious thing to say but the whole thing is incredibly subjective; for every person who falls in love with CH, there're others who are itching to go back to the big city (with all its attractions and downsides).

There are many upsides - lake/mountains/great transport/low crime BUT the pace of life sometimes feel very slow and the opportunties (in terms of excitment/variety) more limited. If your wife is currently working and gives up when she moves here she may find that a shock to the system (or she may love it).

The other thing to bear in mind is what you would do if one of you loved it and the other didn't AND to make sure that you are both in agreement as to what the plan is (sounds obvious but actually what we hear and what is said can be very different).

I found moving here harder than I expected and missed london much more than I thought i would. However most of the time I would do it again...!
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

My situation is similar to your. i might be moving to Vaud later this year for good. I have a place there already so accommodation is not an issue for me but schooling for the kids is. I have 4 from 11 to 2. The 11 year old concerns me most as she would have to go to public school and be thrown in at the deep end with french. I just worry that she struggles and it has a negative impact on getting to a decent Uni later on.

I would be interested in how you get on
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I just worry that she struggles and it has a negative impact on getting to a decent Uni later on.
She'll struggle to start - but with some extra study she'll get it pretty quickly - she'll have to - and if it puts a year back at Uni is that problem? She'll have beaten the language and should have the confidence to easily learn a third.
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Re: Should we or shouldnt we...move to Switzerland

Well, I say do it. I recently moved to Zug from South Ken, and I grew up internationally, attending international schools. I took the International Baccalaureate and ended up doing an MBA from an Ivy League school in the US (I am European).

I miss London but I am loving the experience, and can't stress how wonderful it feels to be in a clean country after 10 years in dusty, dirty, polluted London.

I don't think you need to embrace and become one with the locals necessarily to have a good experience, respect and effort goes a long way.

Do it do it do it!!
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