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Old 27.08.2006, 21:03
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

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I must be really strange - the sound of church bells is one of the things I absolutely love about living in Europe. And I'm not even christian!

Then again, the closest church is a block and a half away, so it doesn't really wake me up too often.
yeah its nice from a distance but not when it perforrates your ear drum when you step out onto your balcony during the tuneless dinging for 15mins (again can't complain we chose to live here!!!)
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Old 27.08.2006, 21:53
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

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yeah its nice from a distance but not when it perforrates your ear drum when you step out onto your balcony during the tuneless dinging for 15mins (again can't complain we chose to live here!!!)
Definitely that will be something to look out for the next time we move. I didn't even consider it when we moved here, but have often said how horrible it would be to be so close to the churches!!
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Old 27.08.2006, 23:18
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

A great little quote from Mark Twain, when he was in Switzerland:

We did not oversleep at St. Nicholas. The church-bell began to ring at four-thirty in the morning, and from the length of time it continued to ring I judged that it takes the Swiss sinner a good while to get the invitation through his head. Most church-bells in the world are of poor quality, and have a harsh and rasping sound which upsets the temper and produces much sin, but the St. Nicholas bell is a good deal the worst one that has been contrived yet, and is peculiarly maddening in its operation. Still, it may have its right and its excuse to exist, for the community is poor and not every citizen can afford a clock, perhaps; but there cannot be any excuse for our church-bells at home, for their is no family in America without a clock, and consequently there is no fair pretext for the usual Sunday medley of dreadful sounds that issues from our steeples ... we took a tolerably early breakfast, and tramped off toward Zermatt through the reeking lanes of the village, glad to get away from that bell.

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Old 28.08.2006, 02:36
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I actually think that since Sunday is a day of rest, ringing of bells should be forbidden, especially the ones that last longer than the counting of the hour.

Our protestant church rings its bells for 30min straight on Saturday and Sunday morning. They are badly out of key too.

Drives me absolutely insane; I actually regard it as noise terreur. The whole village is subjected to it and perhaps 1% in this small village ever makes it to mass. And this is in Romandie too! (The French part).

I wonder what they would do if a mosque tried the same thing.
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

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I wonder what they would do if a mosque tried the same thing.
I agree that it's a noise terror even though it does not bother me directly as an Atheist. Bells have mostly lost their religious significance as you can see by the number of people attending church is CH/Europe.

Regarding your above point...if the mosque was ringing a bell or playing some sort of musical instrument then I would have no problems with it either. The problem is that the mosques blare something similar to a man shouting "their God is the greatest". So in my view as an Atheist I find that offensive plus it's also offensive for some people who follow other religions as it's basically shouting and telling everyone indirectly or directly that the non Islamic God is not great.

A truely fair comparison --> Would a country like say Saudi Arabia allow building of a church firstly and and then would they allow it's bells to ring? Answer is no on both counts.

A good middle ground would be that no religion should be allowed to cause noise pollution
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Old 28.08.2006, 08:44
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

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I wonder what they would do if a mosque tried the same thing.
Well I think we all know the answer to that question. In theory Switzerland is a secular state, yet they collect taxes on behalf of the churches and we all know that Christianity receives special treatment here (church bells are a case in point). There was a vote a few years ago to add Islam to the list of officially recognised religions since approximately 9% of the population practices this faith. Unsurprisingly the vote did not pass.

To give a clue about what would happen with a mosque, refer to this article on Swissinfo. The minaret mentioned would have been silent, yet only 2 have managed to pass planning permission (Zurich and Geneva). The SVP recently called on the Zurich mosque to remove the minaret, as a sign that their community was willing to integrate. I guess their preferred option would be that they convert to Christianity and place a cross there instead.
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I honestly can't see the point of bell ringing ín this day and age. If you're not on your way to church when the bells start ringing, you're not going. Are you really going to put down your pitchfork or playstation and head to mass when you hear the Oranges and Lemons ?

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Not sure if it's the same in the churches there, but in the UK the CofE churches ring what's called a full "peal" at certain times/days. There are also partial "peals". These are certain bell patterns rung to celebrate certain occasions - the appointment of a bishop, weddings, etc. We are near two churches and hear bells all the time. We also hear "bell ringing practice" on Tuesday nights that lasts for an hour or so.
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I must saythat the most annoying part of all of this is when you have, as with us, a protestant church in a catholic community with out of sync clocks (circa 15 seconds) fighting to produce the loudest peel... Don't think I need to say any more...
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Old 28.08.2006, 17:39
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

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I must saythat the most annoying part of all of this is when you have, as with us, a protestant church in a catholic community with out of sync clocks (circa 15 seconds) fighting to produce the loudest peel... Don't think I need to say any more...
When I was in the hospital in Affoltern am Albis recentley I noticed that the 2 churches in the town do not compete for the loudest peel they each take their turn! One church will ring for 23:00 when that one finishes the next one will start. Luckily where we live there is no church.
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I just wanted to summarize some of the more informative and detailed posts from the thread.

Lucy_sg provided some interesting information about how the bells relate to Christian tradition:

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For the Roman Catholics, the church bells are supposed to ring during the Consacration (i.e. when the bread and wine are transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Christ)... The full span ring indicates the end of the most important services.

However, if you listen to the bells every day at 7pm, and it is something like a 3x3 ring, then maybe it is the Angelus. The Angelus is a daily prayer that starts with "Angelus Domini Nuntiavit Maria....", if i remember correctly. You are supposed to answer with the Hail Mary. In previous times, it was a curfew bell as well. (When i went to school, it also meant that you could go home after the 3 Hail Mary's, which was always a good thing....)
Music Mole mentioned how the bells relate the "peal" in the UK:

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Not sure if it's the same in the churches there, but in the UK the CofE churches ring what's called a full "peal" at certain times/days. There are also partial "peals". These are certain bell patterns rung to celebrate certain occasions - the appointment of a bishop, weddings, etc.
Finally, Hasselhoffia noted just when the bells ring near their home. My experience has with the Sunday bells supports this reply, but my bell towers certainly don't stop after 9pm.

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Church across the road from me just did their usual 6:50pm on a Sunday dinging for 6 minutes. They also do this at 8:50am on weekdays for the 6 minutes, and several times on Saturdays and Sundays.

The clock chiming starts at 6am here, seems to end around 9pm.
Thanks to everyone for your informative, helpful and opinionated replies
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

And EF is even quoted in today's news item: http://www.nachtruhe.info/news/churc...ishforum.xhtml
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I still haven't figured out the rhyme and reason for the ringing of the churches that are near us.

I only know that 90% of the time, the 6AM bells wake up our four-month-old baby. And when he wakes, there is no more snoozing in our apartment.

When I was in college, a small mosque was right next to my dormitory. At 5AM (or whenever morning prayer starts), there would always be a lone person singing he morning call to prayer. It was sometimes frustrating if you'd just gone to bed a few hours earlier, but after a while you got used to it, and it was rather soothing.
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

I just moved to a little village, church is on the opposite side of the street.
They ring the bells every morning at 5:30am, for at least 1 minute. Today I don't know what happened, they also rang around 6:40am for 5 minutes. Then comes the regular hourly and half-hourly dings.. Luckily only until 10pm....
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

One of my friends lives beside a church in Locarno. Its bells chime everything twice. For example at 19:00 it will chime 7 times, and then two minutes later it will chime 7 times again...
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

When I first moved here, I used to live between a train crossing and a paddock. So not only did I hear the bells everytime the beams went down, I also had the joy of the constant ding-a-ling of the cows in the background! There wasn't too much I could do about it!
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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

Try living in Witikon, our house is at the centre of a triangle of three bell towers, and By Gum, they're enhusiastic. The extended 7 am remix on a Sunday is a particular favorite of mine.
Funnily enough, I lived next to an Anglican church in St Albans, but somehow the descending arpeggios of the English bells seemed to be much more melodic and tuneful. Swiss church bells sound like collapsing scaffolding.

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Re: Why do the bell towers ring?

There have been so many complaints on this subject. Not just here in Switzerland.

I think there is a great opening for vandals who e.g. write on walls for something better to do... well, for those who might like to reeeaaalllyy prove a point, there are many bells to be collected and hidden, never to be found and at least there would be a few weeks peace while the churches had replacement bells made.

... and you wouldn't be getting my complaints either...

I lived in Pfäffikon and instead of taking the posts from the side of the road and laying them so that you had to get out of your car and refit them before continuing, well, they should be plotting how to steal bells...
A lot more constructive I'd say....

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