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demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

just in case anyone is planning a relaxed lunch ( or meeting Momus to buy some DVD's as I am ! ) at the Place de Nations today...

this just in...

Please be advised that the Geneva Police has informed the UN Security Management System (UNOG) of an authorized demonstration by the Tamil community; they estimate numbers of between 3000 to 5000 participants. The demonstration will take place this afternoon, the 18th of May, at the Place des Nations, and is scheduled to start at 13h30 and end at 18h00.


While there will be police coverage, traffic mobility disruptions are likely to occur around the Place des Nations area.
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

Thats the chaps in yellow? They do that every year and march down the quayside later
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

The Tamil flag is red ( with Tamil Tiger ) ...I don't know about yellow...

They had several large demo's last year...generally just making a mess of my lunchtime stroll and commute home but this is the first one that I can recall this year.
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

Well if this kicks off the demo season I had better get the eggs ready. They deface our walls and we throw eggs back!
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

you must really have fun during the WTO demo's then.


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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

2 years back the same day to end the internal war, srilankan forces killed many civilians brutally using phosphorous bombs and in many other means.
There were war crimes commited during the last few days of war end, upon investigation UN has released a report.

So there is a demonstration by migrated people , expecting a justice from international community upon the UN report
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2 years back the same day to end the internal war, srilankan forces killed many civilians brutally using phosphorous bombs and in many other means.
There were war crimes commited during the last few days of war end, upon investigation UN has released a report.

So there is a demonstration by migrated people , expecting a justice from international community upon the UN report
I beg to differ.

The Sri Lankan forces killed the leader of LTTE terrorist organisation who were using innocent civilians as human shields.

The people are demonstrating to get their Permits approved in Switzerland citing that sri lanka is a dangerous place to be - of course these are the people who still have their permits pending
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

3000 to 5000 peoples protesting just for getting the permits?
not been the case .. could few asylum people whose status being pending.

PDF link for the UN Report from UN website
http://www.un.org/News/dh/infocus/Sri_Lanka/POE_Report_Full.pdf


Highlights of UN report
Some key highlights from the leaked report as published in The Island:
“In stark contrast, the Panel found credible allegations, which if proven, indicate that a wide range of serious violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law were committed both by the Government of Sri Lanka and the LTTE, some of which would amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
“The Government shelled on a large scale in three consecutive No Fire Zones, where it had encouraged the civilian population to concentrate, even after indicating that it would cease the use of heavy weapons. It shelled the United Nations hub, food distribution lines and near the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) ships that were coming to pick up the wounded and their relatives from the beaches. It shelled in spite of its knowledge of the impact, provided by its own intelligence systems and through notification by the United Nations, the ICRC and others. Most civilian casualties in the final phases of the war were caused by Government shelling.” Emphasis ours.
“The Government systematically shelled hospitals on the frontlines. All hospitals in the Vanni were hit by mortars and artillery, some of them were hit repeatedly, despite the fact that their locations were well-known to the Government.”
“The Government subjected victims and survivours of the conflict to further deprivation and suffering after they left the conflict zone.”
“Despite grave danger in the conflict zone, the LTTE refused civilians permission to leave, using them as hostages, at times even using their presence as a strategic human buffer between themselves and the advancing Sri Lanka Army.”
“From February 2009 onwards, the LTTE started point-blank shooting of civilians who attempted to escape the conflict zone, significantly adding to the death toll in the final stages of the war.”
“Thus, in conclusion, the Panel found credible allegations that comprise five core categories of potential serious violations committed by the Government of Sri Lanka: (i) killing of civilians through widespread shelling; (ii) shelling of hospitals and humanitarian objects; (iii) denial of humanitarian assistance; (iv) human rights violations suffered by victims and survivors of the conflict, including both IDPs and suspected LTTE cadre; and (v) human rights violations outside the conflict zone, including against the media and other critics of the Government.”
“The Panel’s determination of credible allegations against the LTTE associated with the final stages of the war reveal six core categories of potential serious violations: Ii) using civilians as a human buffer; (ii) killing civilians attempting to flee LTTE control; (iii) using military equipment in the proximity of civilians; (iv) forced recruitment of children; (v) forced labour; and (vi) killing of civilians through suicide attacks.”
“The Panel has concluded that the Government’s notion of accountability is not in accordance with international standards. Unless the Government genuinely addresses the allegations of violations committed by both sides and places the rights and dignity of the victims of the conflict at the centre of its approach to accountability, its measures will fall dramatically short of international expectations.”
“The work to date demonstrates that the LLRC has not conducted genuine truth-seeking about what happened in the final stages of the armed conflict, not sought to investigate systematically and impartially the allegations of serious violations on both sides of the war, not employed an approach that treats victims with full respect for their dignity and their suffering, and not provided the necessary protection for witnesses, even in circumstances of actual personal risk.”
“Equally, the Panel has seen no evidence that the military courts system has operated as an effective accountability mechanism in respect of the credible allegations it has identified or other crimes committed in the final stages of the war.” (On this score, see the BBC news story, CJ defends verdict on military courts)
“During the course of its work, the Panel observed that there were several other contemporary issues in Sri Lanka, which if left un-addressed, will deter efforts towards genuine accountability and may undermine prospects for durable peace in consequence. Most notably, these include: (i) triumphalism on the part of the Government, expressed through its discourse on having developed the means and will to defeat “terrorism”, thus ending Tamil aspirations for political, autonomy and recognition, and its denial regarding the human cost of its military strategy; (ii) on-going exclusionary policies, which are particularly deleterious as political, social and economic exclusion exclusion based on ethnicity, perceived or real, have been at the heart of the conflict (iii) the continuation of wartime measures, including not only the Emergency Regulations and the Prevention of Terrorism Act, mentioned above, but also the continued militiarisation of the former conflict zone and the use of paramilitary proxies, all of which perpetuate a climate of fear, intimidation and violence; (iv) restrictions on the media, which are contrary to democratic governance and limit basic citizens’ rights; and (v) the role of the Tamil Diaspora, which provided vital moral and material support to the LTTE over decades, and some of whom refuse to acknowledge the LTTE’s role in the humanitarian disaster in the Vanni, creating a further obstacle to accountability and sustainable peace.”
“During the final stages of the war, the United Nations political organs and bodies failed to take actions that might have protected civilians.”
“The Secretary-General should immediately proceed to establish an independent international mechanism, whose mandate should include the following concurrent functions…”
“The Government of Sri Lanka should issue a public, formal acknowledgement of its role in and responsibility for extensive civilian casualties in the final stages of the war.”
“The Secretary-General should conduct a comprehensive review of actions by the United Nations system during the war in Sri Lanka and the aftermath, regarding the implementation of its humanitarian and protection mandates.”

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Old 18.05.2011, 15:12
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

The UN report say that both the Sri Lankan government and the LTTE commited the offences. The government had a zero casualty policy and the masses recued by the Forces from the LTTE clearly points this out.

I am totally against indiscriminate killings and shelling of property but there is no proof that government has done it. And if the LTTE use child soldiers, suicide bombers, human sheilds etc etc what do you expect the security forces to do?

In my opinion they have done a very good job in rescuing innocent tamil people from the LTTE terrorist grip.

The LTTE suppoters hold this demonstration because their brutal terrorist leader got shot by the SL army on this day two years ago.

Some of the people who participate does not have any choice but just to go there. The same happend to them when the LTTE started collecting money from them - no choice but to contribute


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not been the case .. could few asylum people whose status being pending.

PDF link for the UN Report from UN website
http://www.un.org/News/dh/infocus/Sri_Lanka/POE_Report_Full.pdf


Highlights of UN report
Some key highlights from the leaked report as published in The Island:
“In stark contrast, the Panel found credible allegations, which if proven, indicate that a wide range of serious violations of international humanitarian law and international human rights law were committed both by the Government of Sri Lanka and the LTTE, some of which would amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity.”
“The Government shelled on a large scale in three consecutive No Fire Zones, where it had encouraged the civilian population to concentrate, even after indicating that it would cease the use of heavy weapons. It shelled the United Nations hub, food distribution lines and near the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) ships that were coming to pick up the wounded and their relatives from the beaches. It shelled in spite of its knowledge of the impact, provided by its own intelligence systems and through notification by the United Nations, the ICRC and others. Most civilian casualties in the final phases of the war were caused by Government shelling.” Emphasis ours.
“The Government systematically shelled hospitals on the frontlines. All hospitals in the Vanni were hit by mortars and artillery, some of them were hit repeatedly, despite the fact that their locations were well-known to the Government.”
“The Government subjected victims and survivours of the conflict to further deprivation and suffering after they left the conflict zone.”
“Despite grave danger in the conflict zone, the LTTE refused civilians permission to leave, using them as hostages, at times even using their presence as a strategic human buffer between themselves and the advancing Sri Lanka Army.”
“From February 2009 onwards, the LTTE started point-blank shooting of civilians who attempted to escape the conflict zone, significantly adding to the death toll in the final stages of the war.”
“Thus, in conclusion, the Panel found credible allegations that comprise five core categories of potential serious violations committed by the Government of Sri Lanka: (i) killing of civilians through widespread shelling; (ii) shelling of hospitals and humanitarian objects; (iii) denial of humanitarian assistance; (iv) human rights violations suffered by victims and survivors of the conflict, including both IDPs and suspected LTTE cadre; and (v) human rights violations outside the conflict zone, including against the media and other critics of the Government.”
“The Panel’s determination of credible allegations against the LTTE associated with the final stages of the war reveal six core categories of potential serious violations: Ii) using civilians as a human buffer; (ii) killing civilians attempting to flee LTTE control; (iii) using military equipment in the proximity of civilians; (iv) forced recruitment of children; (v) forced labour; and (vi) killing of civilians through suicide attacks.”
“The Panel has concluded that the Government’s notion of accountability is not in accordance with international standards. Unless the Government genuinely addresses the allegations of violations committed by both sides and places the rights and dignity of the victims of the conflict at the centre of its approach to accountability, its measures will fall dramatically short of international expectations.”
“The work to date demonstrates that the LLRC has not conducted genuine truth-seeking about what happened in the final stages of the armed conflict, not sought to investigate systematically and impartially the allegations of serious violations on both sides of the war, not employed an approach that treats victims with full respect for their dignity and their suffering, and not provided the necessary protection for witnesses, even in circumstances of actual personal risk.”
“Equally, the Panel has seen no evidence that the military courts system has operated as an effective accountability mechanism in respect of the credible allegations it has identified or other crimes committed in the final stages of the war.” (On this score, see the BBC news story, CJ defends verdict on military courts)
“During the course of its work, the Panel observed that there were several other contemporary issues in Sri Lanka, which if left un-addressed, will deter efforts towards genuine accountability and may undermine prospects for durable peace in consequence. Most notably, these include: (i) triumphalism on the part of the Government, expressed through its discourse on having developed the means and will to defeat “terrorism”, thus ending Tamil aspirations for political, autonomy and recognition, and its denial regarding the human cost of its military strategy; (ii) on-going exclusionary policies, which are particularly deleterious as political, social and economic exclusion exclusion based on ethnicity, perceived or real, have been at the heart of the conflict (iii) the continuation of wartime measures, including not only the Emergency Regulations and the Prevention of Terrorism Act, mentioned above, but also the continued militiarisation of the former conflict zone and the use of paramilitary proxies, all of which perpetuate a climate of fear, intimidation and violence; (iv) restrictions on the media, which are contrary to democratic governance and limit basic citizens’ rights; and (v) the role of the Tamil Diaspora, which provided vital moral and material support to the LTTE over decades, and some of whom refuse to acknowledge the LTTE’s role in the humanitarian disaster in the Vanni, creating a further obstacle to accountability and sustainable peace.”
“During the final stages of the war, the United Nations political organs and bodies failed to take actions that might have protected civilians.”
“The Secretary-General should immediately proceed to establish an independent international mechanism, whose mandate should include the following concurrent functions…”
“The Government of Sri Lanka should issue a public, formal acknowledgement of its role in and responsibility for extensive civilian casualties in the final stages of the war.”
“The Secretary-General should conduct a comprehensive review of actions by the United Nations system during the war in Sri Lanka and the aftermath, regarding the implementation of its humanitarian and protection mandates.”

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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

I don't care who's right or wrong... I just want to know why they keep getting in my way when I want to go walkies... between then and the group from Ashraf I get no peace... and don't even get me going on those Kasmir'ies
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

Why are they protesting again?
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

And I thought they are making a riot for my bday, darn it...
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

co'mon down MC...I'm sure they'll have cake... or something.
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Re: demonstration at the U.N.... today ( 18May )

apparently the Geneva Sri Lankan cricket team are there signing autographs ! woopeee
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apparently the Geneva Sri Lankan cricket team are there signing autographs ! woopeee
That should be the spirit.. some autograph signing, beer and a good party...
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in the pdf link from UN in last few pages ,shows the photo proof with satellite images bombing over hospitals , shelling in no fire zone ,etc
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I don't care who's right or wrong... I just want to know why they keep getting in my way when I want to go walkies... between then and the group from Ashraf I get no peace... and don't even get me going on those Kasmir'ies

Totally agree.. They should have a party atmosphere rather than protesting..

Then you can go for a walkie, grab an ice cream (weather permitting - but I eat it anyway) and have some fun..

Do they have any good Sri lankan food stalls there during the demo? If so try it with a beer of course... lovely jubly..
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Totally agree.. They should have a party atmosphere rather than protesting..

Then you can go for a walkie, grab an ice cream (weather permitting - but I eat it anyway) and have some fun..

Do they have any good Sri lankan food stalls there during the demo? If so try it with a beer of course... lovely jubly..
defintely next year they may organise a party when UN and international community provide a good justice for their lost beloved ones
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Do they have any good Sri lankan food stalls there during the demo? If so try it with a beer of course... lovely jubly..

in the past no.. there haven't been any food stalls... just angry chanting Tamils ( not forgetting the poor chap who set himself alight a few years ago )

when I went by at lunch time they did appear to be settign up a food stall but I would hazard a guess that is was more to supply the protest crowd than to sell to "tourists"

last year however there was a lovely 3-4 day Earth Celebrations where many different orgs did set up food stalls.. now that was lovely jubley
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in the pdf link from UN in last few pages ,shows the photo proof with satellite images bombing over hospitals , shelling in no fire zone ,etc
Yes, does that prove they were from the Government forces?? The LTTE is known to kill their own just to get some sympathy.. They even shot at their own people who tried to escape from them.. I watch watching the whole thing two years back on BBC, CNN etc.

Did you see the happy faces of the people the forces rescued?

Anyways lets stop arguing and protesting over something that happend two years back.. let the UN and the Sri Lankan government handle the matter.

Its just causing trouble to the innocent swiss and others who live in Geneva who got nothing to do with it
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