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Old 08.06.2011, 19:03
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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Rathore, perhaps some of the responses you have received were based on your initial post stating that you've been here for a mere two weeks. Now this more recent post says two months, which still really isn't long when looking for a job here in Switzerland....
I think he means he has been here 2 weeks but will stay 2 months in total.

(or maybe I don't understand his English. )
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Old 08.06.2011, 20:09
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

I once went to Bern. I couldn't find anyone who spoke English either.

Mainly because it was Saturday afternoon. Everything was closed and the place was deserted.
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Old 08.06.2011, 20:24
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Alternative #1: Speak louder.

Alternative #2:

Alternative #3: After they say they don't speak English, ask "Isländisch?". You'd be amazed how fast they can learn English after that question...
I used #3 to good effect in France. I asked in French, and when I got a reply in English, I switched to Chinese and she decided French was not such a bad compromise
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Old 08.06.2011, 20:46
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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To be fair to the OP, English is the current lingua franca of quite a lot of the world. It is a bit like a Victorian traveller complaining that nobody speaks French in Amsterdam, or a medieval scholar complaining that nobody speaks Latin in Lincoln: in context, not quite as preposterous as it might first appear.
Bern is Bern and NOT "a lot of the world"


and THIS here for whomever thinks that "accents" do not matter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1TnzCiUSI0
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Old 08.06.2011, 21:05
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I thank you all for replying to my post.
I appreciate that some people have given me good advice and I think that its gonna help me a lot.
someone wrote that i should learn swiss german at migros school and I visited there, it really helped me a lot. sorry but as lot of people think that i am moaning about something and people do really speak english here.

sorry if u think so, i dont believe it. i have been traveling all around the europe and this is my 11th month of traveling and i have seen countries where people dont speak english but its not as bad as bern where you are trying to interact and people are not even interested.
I agree that there are all kind of people everywhere and maybe i have just met that one kind of people so far.

Anyways to live for 2 months in bern, i have realized that i have to learn some german to make my life a little easy.. btw..
Thank u everyone for replying once again..it really helped me..cheers
That you are determined to learn German and Swiss-German to some extent is nice and commendable. You however ought to realize a few realities :
- Bernese speak BäRNTüüTSCH and NOT Swiss-German
- Bernese are not keen on "interaction"
- Bernese take it slowly. When they started to reply you already had dashed to your lodgings to torture your computer

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Old 08.06.2011, 21:10
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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To be fair to the OP, English is the current lingua franca of quite a lot of the world. It is a bit like a Victorian traveller complaining that nobody speaks French in Amsterdam, or a medieval scholar complaining that nobody speaks Latin in Lincoln: in context, not quite as preposterous as it might first appear.
True, but it's one thing to expect to find people who speak English in a country, and another to expect to find a job only knowing English if you go to a country where the official language is NOT English!
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Old 08.06.2011, 21:27
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- Bernese are not keen on "interaction"

You mean züri-style "interaction" which basically consists of talking about oneself?
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Old 08.06.2011, 21:38
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- Bernese speak BäRNTüüTSCH and NOT Swiss-German
So Bernese Swiss-German isn't Swiss German, but Zuri Swiss-German is?

Amazing....

Where for example does Basler Swiss-German fit into your very strange view of the world?
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So Bernese Swiss-German isn't Swiss German, but Zuri Swiss-German is?
I missed the bit where he said that. Could you quote it for us, please?
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You mean züri-style "interaction" which basically consists of talking about oneself?
Is it the fault of the Zürcher, when the Berner still are reconsidering their replies when the Zürchers already have boarded the train back to Zch
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So Bernese Swiss-German isn't Swiss German, but Zuri Swiss-German is?
> ZüRI-TüüTSCH of course, what else



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Where for example does Basler Swiss-German fit into your very strange view of the world?
> they in Baaasel speak BAAASLERISCH or
BAAASEL-TIITSCH
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Old 08.06.2011, 21:56
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Is it the fault of the Zürcher, when the Berner still are reconsidering their replies when the Zürchers already have boarded the train back to Zch
The thing with the Zürcher(s) is that you guys consider it actually necessary to fill in the gaps between two important pieces with white noise...

The Z:

Yourblablablablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablabl ablaatblablablabla8.02blablablabla.
ablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablablablaatblabla blabla8.02blablablabla.

The B. understands:

Yourblablablablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablablablaatblablablabla8.02blablablabla.
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The thing with the Zürcher(s) is that you guys consider it actually necessary to fill in the gaps between two important pieces with white noise...

The Z:

Yourblablablablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablabl ablaatblablablabla8.02blablablabla.
ablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablablablaatblabla blabla8.02blablablabla.

The B. understands:

Yourblablablablablatrainblablablablaleavesblablablablaatblablablabla8.02blablablabla.

No wonder then that the O.P. misses the "interaction"
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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So Bernese Swiss-German isn't Swiss German, but Zuri Swiss-German is?

Amazing....

Where for example does Basler Swiss-German fit into your very strange view of the world?
Wiki can sort that out for you.

Basler fits with Alemán Coloniero from the canton of Venezuela .....
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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I missed the bit where he said that. Could you quote it for us, please?
You are correct. He didn't say that.

My post was made under the mistaken assumption that Wollishofener had a point, other than increasing his post count.

My bad, sorry.
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Old 08.06.2011, 22:37
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No wonder then that the O.P. misses the "interaction"
I dunno, you think he wants to hear about the new shoes you bought when he wants to know when the train leaves?

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There was a Berner, a Zürcher and a good looking nun sitting together in a carriage in a train going through A1 (Aargau).



Suddenly the train went through a tunnel and as the lights were not working properly, the carriages went completely dark.



Then there was this kissing noise and the sound of a really loud slap.

When the train came out of the tunnel, the good looking nun and the Berner were sitting as if nothing had happened and the Zürcher had his hand against his face as he had been slapped.


The Zürcher was thinking: “The bernese guy must have kissed the nun and she missed him and slapped me instead.”


The nun was thinking: “The Zürcher must have tried to kiss me and actually kissed the Berner and got slapped for it.”


And the Berner was thinking: “This is great. The next time the train goes through a tunnel I'll make that kissing noise and slap that b**tard again.”


Old one, I know. It does take us some time to memorize these jokes...
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You are correct. He didn't say that.

My post was made under the mistaken assumption that Wollishofener had a point, other than increasing his post count.

My bad, sorry.
The "point" you apparently fail to see is that to speak Bärntüütsch in places like St. Gallen or Schaffhausen will not help you at all but rather make matters more complicated. And Zürchers do not exactly appreciate Baaasel-Tiitsch. In Basel (one big point for those folks ) they, at least most of them are relatively tolerant, except that they feel sooooo superior above the Alsace people.

And what results from this for immigrants ? Simple. That they in the first case should concentrate on the Standard Language as the basis, and then, when having a kind of basis, carefully venture out into the local or regional dialect(s).

As soon as you in another language understand the local dialect (without speaking it) you at least have "won the battle" even if possibly not yet the war
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I dunno, you think he wants to hear about the new shoes you bought when he wants to know when the train leaves?

Old one, I know. It does take us some time to memorize these jokes...
Ancient !
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Re: No one speaks english in Bern

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Just don't take no for an answer. If people reply to you in English, just say you are trying to learn German (Swiss German- whatever) and could they please help you- most will respect that.
I don't think its so simple.. whenever I asked that it seemed nobody respected that I wanted to speak german.. I lived in a WG of ski instructors in Berner Oberland. Most of them spoke Bern deutsch, but would only speak to me in english (they wanted to improve their mostly already fluent English too!). The problem came when we all had dinner: they all sat around chatting away to each other, and I had no idea what they were saying. Even when i asked them to speak Hochdeutsch so i'd understand they'd always slip back into it...

After 6 months of teaching swiss kids to ski from all over CH i can pretty much understand a one on one conversation spoken to me in most swiss dialects (nearly even grindelwald deutsch, which seems to most messed up of all..) but still have huge issues with group situations, or with loads of background noise..

OP: keep at learning hochdeutsch since everyone CAN speak it when they choose. Swiss german takes time..
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I don't think its so simple.. whenever I asked that it seemed nobody respected that I wanted to speak german.. I lived in a WG of ski instructors in Berner Oberland. Most of them spoke Bern deutsch, but would only speak to me in english (they wanted to improve their mostly already fluent English too!). The problem came when we all had dinner: they all sat around chatting away to each other, and I had no idea what they were saying. Even when i asked them to speak Hochdeutsch so i'd understand they'd always slip back into it...

After 6 months of teaching swiss kids to ski from all over CH i can pretty much understand a one on one conversation spoken to me in most swiss dialects (nearly even grindelwald deutsch, which seems to most messed up of all..) but still have huge issues with group situations, or with loads of background noise..

OP: keep at learning hochdeutsch since everyone CAN speak it when they choose. Swiss german takes time..
Group situations in combination with background noise are a problem in all languages, made worse by people who do not care about speaking clearly, or people who are "speeding" when speaking as they primarily want to hear themselves.
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