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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

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Hi
im a goth myself and do have to agree and while i have swiss freinds they do seem to me very conformist.
i had a woman cross the street from me the other weekend (and im not one of the more frightenly dressed goths, im pretty tame)
while this is not the first time that this has happened, back home i would have people to talk to and here i dont.

honestly i feel a little bit isolated.
anyone with any ideas?
in the words of the immortal bard, Jello Biafra:

"you ain't hard core 'cause you spike your hair / when a jock still lives inside your head."

maybe try digging a little under the surface with the people you meet on the street, there's often more substance to people than just black eyeliner and black hair coloring.

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Old 26.02.2012, 18:29
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for professional reasons we can't go around looking like bums
I've never had a problem going around looking like a bum, but I probably earn more than you do.

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Old 26.02.2012, 18:36
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in the words of the immortal bard, Jello Biafra:
""California Über Alles!"

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Old 26.02.2012, 19:11
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i dont know if its just me, but the swiss seem to be a very conformist bunch. everyone looks the same, like they were all manufactured on a production line (sorry, no offence intended).
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as nobody is the same, everybody tries to adapt to the mainstream

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where are the long haired heavy metal fans, the punks, the goths, the chavs, the loony lefties, etc etc, you get my drift...
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everywhere. I can see them everywhere all the time. The "loony lefties" are dominating culture

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people here all seem the same and those who are not are nearly always foreigners. thank god for foreigners otherwise switzerland would have no variation amongst its population.
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very often, the "foreigners" are "Swiss" in realities and many of those yOU preceive as "Swiss" are foreigners. And quite many people who are Swiss nationals are "non-Swiss" by appareance due to their ancestors. And if you are non-Swiss by appearance you will be advised very strongly that to speak with your hands is NOT the way to go, and that you should "assimilate"
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Old 26.02.2012, 19:34
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I don't know where they all go, but I see them all passing through the train station when I pop out for the evening.

Try a walk round the pubs on the fringes of city centres and down the little side streets to track em down.
> you apparently pass through the train station when normal people pop out
> the O.P. possibly never walks round pubs on the fringes of city centres (where most of the country takes place)
> those expat-bankers do NOT walk down little side streets
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Old 26.02.2012, 19:42
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Hi
im a goth myself and do have to agree and while i have swiss freinds they do seem to me very conformist.
i had a woman cross the street from me the other weekend (and im not one of the more frightenly dressed goths, im pretty tame)
while this is not the first time that this has happened, back home i would have people to talk to and here i dont.

honestly i feel a little bit isolated.
anyone with any ideas?
Your Swiss friends have to be "conformist" with their jobs. And those of above 20/22 had to pass the RS and have to go into military WKs each year and so have to adapt
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Old 26.02.2012, 20:06
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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

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Your Swiss friends have to be "conformist" with their jobs. And those of above 20/22 had to pass the RS and have to go into military WKs each year and so have to adapt
not many men have to pass the RS nowadays. a lot of them are or want to be "untauglich". and a lot of my friends who went, didn't have to adapt too hard... not cutting off long hair and stuff like that...
And you certainly don't have to adapt in the WK. sounds fun to me, playing pool and hanging around the whole day!
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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

i'll say what i posted on a differnt forum a little while ago on a similer subject - it takes all kinds to make the world go round.
not everybody is going to like what/who you are.
Just need to be proud of who you are.
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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

Absolutely - diversity is the spice of life. And let's say large towns in the UK, or Berlin - are best at it.
I only object when people make a huge effort to be very different, then complain that they don't fit in, lol. Like in the series 'Little Britain' and the 'only gay in the village'.
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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

The Swiss culture does not encourage individualism. Yes, you will see the typical teenagers who dress punk or ghetto, but they usually grow out of that stage or move away. Look at the coats sold in the store--black or shades of gray. Anyone who stands too far out in this country gets brought back to earth very quickly.
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Old 26.02.2012, 21:23
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berlin e.g. is a city half as big (inhabitans) as switzerland and its skint, arm aber sexy. that means that the city council has little money to take care of all those former east german/berlin buildings, old deserted factories or other buildings of which the ownership often still isnt clarified. not much jobs, many start ups, little miney keep the costs of living down and so many people settle over from all over the world. not so in zurich.authorities are busy with other problems and its so massive of possibilities its hard to take care of proventing subcultural activities of all kinds.including the people living on the streets... which is very much the opposite to zurich/switzerland. though gentrification leads to a dying club n bar scene at the moment and will keep on. but the creativity of the berlin crowd will bring up new places but its a pitty that some very decent clubs disappeared or will close down. long live berghain!!
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Re: Why is there such a lack of different subcultures amongst the swiss?

it does seem a shame that a country as divrse as switzerland and certaintly where i live, where they are so many differnt people, nationalities and life styles that standing out is still not really seen or encourged.
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not many men have to pass the RS nowadays. a lot of them are or want to be "untauglich". and a lot of my friends who went, didn't have to adapt too hard... not cutting off long hair and stuff like that...
And you certainly don't have to adapt in the WK. sounds fun to me, playing pool and hanging around the whole day!
an overwhelming majority is "tauglich". True, under the criteria in force today, I might have become "untauglich" on at least two points. To describe the vast majority as "not many" is an arrogant statement which by many of the "not many" would be regarded as an insult.

Already in 1972, cutting off long hair etc was much more liberal than just a decade before. Sure, I know the uncountable tales about "fun" and about "just hanging around", and know that it simply is not true. For some miraculous reasons, I also when looking back, remember the interesting, amusing, funny, nice times out of my roughly 400 days of military service, and not the ugly, tiresome, boring, challenging, horribly-shitty moments which made up reality. It is known as "psychology". Just ask your psychiatrist at your next session !!
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