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Unfortunately the economist/pedant in me always looks for sampling problems. It seems that the people most likely to be online in the first place and then have the impetus and knowledge to complete an online survey are precisely those sorts of people who are both more mobile and price sensitive. I wonder how many Swiss that truly represents.
To say it quite bluntly, the percentage given shows that the ones who gave answers were neither of the Innerschweiz (Schwyz, Uri, Unterwalden or of the Berner Oberland, you however have to realize that a good percentage of the Swiss population lives nearer than 50kms of the next borders. THIS includes St. Gallen, Frauenfeld, Kreuzlingen, Zürich, Schaffhausen, Basel, Geneva, Lugano, Bellinzona and Chur.
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To say it quite bluntly, the percentage given shows that the ones who gave answers were neither of the Innerschweiz (Schwyz, Uri, Unterwalden or of the Berner Oberland, you however have to realize that a good percentage of the Swiss population lives nearer than 50kms of the next borders. THIS includes St. Gallen, Frauenfeld, Kreuzlingen, Zürich, Schaffhausen, Basel, Geneva, Lugano, Bellinzona and Chur.
Quite right, it takes me two hours to get to the border. Frankly that's to much hustle just to save a couple of francs. I go twice a year to Italy to shop some clothes but good quality clothes in Milan cost nearly as much as in Switzerland. But hey, I have the privilege to live in one of the most beautiful areas of Switzerland and that's priceless.
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The amount of individuals packed at the local Martkauf (similar like aldi) is astonishing. Every number plate in the parking lot is filled with BS tags in it.
You should see it on 1st August. It's rammed with people from ZH and AG too, all getting their retail fix.
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Old 30.06.2011, 09:17
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad
another misleading thread title.. .
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I thought this was going to be about LiB going out on the game ( again )
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Ever heard about Woolworth ? No ? Woolworth is the place from where Mr Duttweiler copied his "business module" from. Similar with COOP which got its "business module" from abroad as well.

And, to "rethink" does not help you as in a non-food shop, your stuff most likely is older than two years to a heavy extent. Even a "mixed calculation" leaves you in deep shit. Our notary had some stiff words of criticism about our collapsed margins. And only slightly retreated when our CEO asked him whether he never did shopping in Konstanz or Waldshut

The "business modules" here are the same as in Italy, France or Germany
I'm not sure woolworth's is the best place to get their business 'module' from since they went into administration back in 2009 and only exist as an online entity owned by another group.
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Old 30.06.2011, 10:34
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I am a very badly integrated emigrant

I shop all my clothes and shoes in Portugal, where you can get GOOD quality for a GOOD price, and the people that attend you in the stores don't look like they are making the FAVOUR of attending you. The day a sales-woman in a store in Zürich basically snapped on me, because I dared to interrupt their discussion about bad boyfriends to ask what "SIZE U" means, made it for me. I could be paying their salaries, therefore I deserve to be treated like a human being.

I also go over to Germany to buy good meat for a decent price, specially during barbecue weather. Or I "invite" German family to come visit, if you know what I mean... hihihihihihi

I don't usually go to Aldi or Lidl though. It might be cheaper, but even when I was living in Germany I kept away from it because the quality is not exactly the best. Yes, I am a snob picky swiss woman when it comes to food...

I have enough colleagues, though, who preach against the awful Lidl and Aldi, but I see them once and a while in the shops... *sigh*
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To say it quite bluntly, the percentage given shows that the ones who gave answers were neither of the Innerschweiz (Schwyz, Uri, Unterwalden or of the Berner Oberland...
While I didn't participate in the survey, I am from the Innerschweiz... and I do much of my shopping abroad.

No, I don't buy groceries abroad, as the savings would be eaten up by transportation costs and the cost of time wasted.

However, I buy clothing exclusively abroad, mostly mail order from the US and UK from retailers I know and trust. Ditto sports equipment, books, and many pet care products. Despite the shipping fees and customs duties I still end up paying about half the cost of simlar things here. Also, we are back in the States often enough to stock up on OTC drugs and personal care products, so those are rarely bought in Switzlerland.

But cost is not the driving factor at all. Rather choice and the 'shopping experience' are why I buy abroad.

I simply do not like the products available here - try as I might, I have never found anything I would want to wear here. (Swiss fashion doesn't seem to cater to the middle-aged dog owner demographic. ) And, as I am allergic to shopping at the best of times, why on earth would I want to spend a day trudging around, only to be treated rudely by sneering shop assistants?

Where I can find quality goods at a fair price I support the local economy. I've had beautiful furniture made here by a master craftsman, I buy wonderful fruit, honey, and dairy products direct from local farms, our butcher here - who sources locally - is one of the best I've ever found. The gentleman at the Landi is happy to help me overcome my city slicker origins so he is my go-to household problem solver, the guys at the local hardware/tool shop are an amazing fount of knowledge, I trust the advise the local garden center gives me so I buy my plants from them.

A common theme here is customer service. The local folks I buy from all offer more than just a product, they first and foremost offer excellent customer service; I walk out of their shops with a smile on my face, feeling that I have been treated well. That is worth paying for - anywhere.

Shame so many of the shops here don't seem to understand that.

(In fairness, this isn't only a Swiss problem. It's just that the price differential makes bad customer service so much more evident.)

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Old 30.06.2011, 11:00
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

Ok, just to make it clear: We are talking about 70% of a non-representative online survey carried out by a company consulting Swiss retailers on how to improve their sales.

How much more fishy can it get?

I openly admit that I shop cross border whenever it makes sense. For one or two people the drive to Germany only to go to a supermarket does not pay off. But if I have something bigger to buy or simply a lot of things at once, I'll do so. And I talk about driving from Zurich, not central Switzerland or Bern.

So 70% is a very high number which I frankly only believe if it translates to "once a year" - sure, given the percentage of Swiss doing weekend trips or vacations abroad.
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:20
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I suggest we conduct our independent and impartial survey on the EF with poll so that there won't be biased answers. Hey folks please be factual and as honest as it can get. Swiss "bureau de statistics" will reward you with 15% discount voucher for major branches of COOP or Migros can it get more phishy?
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:22
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I suggest we conduct our independent and impartial survey on the EF with poll so that there won't be biased answers. Hey folks please be factual and as honest as it can get. Swiss "bureau de statistics" will reward you with 15% discount voucher for major branches of COOP or Migros can it get more phishy?
I've spent 89Euros at Marktkauf last Saturday.
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

Does KFC count as shopping?
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:23
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I spent EUR7 in Konstanz for a recent haircut and another EUR4 for a Chicken Rice meal near the Bhf.
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Old 30.06.2011, 11:35
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

My only shopping this month was 50CHF in WOG.ch for Fable 3 and about 100 euros on books at Amazon.de It's quite balancedI think

Can I get a MIGROS voucher now? I'm hungry
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Can I get a MIGROS voucher now? I'm hungry
Maybe lost_inbroad can help you out on this.
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

My (Swiss) girlfriend has been shopping in Italy for years (but still does most of it in CH). She even used to do it by moped!

We just went to Varese yesterday (it was a holiday here) to buy mussels, some tuna for eating raw, and an octopus, plus staples like olive oil and bottled tomatoes. Figuring in the gas to get there, we probably didn't save anything much.

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I'm not sure woolworth's is the best place to get their business 'module' from since they went into administration back in 2009 and only exist as an online entity owned by another group.
I think you refer to the Woolworth of between 1950 and 2010. But I of course refer to Woolworth of the 1910s and 1920ies, which was the basis of the idea .

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I've spent 89Euros at Marktkauf last Saturday.
To me, shopping accross the border only makes sense if the trip is combined with something else. This also is the reason why boring Waldshut is not an option to me, while Konstanz all the time is. A nice city, with very nice restaurants, and its location on the Bodensee. The same with Friedrichshafen with its beautiful location and in fact a sensational "Badi"


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I've spent 89Euros at Marktkauf last Saturday.
To me, shopping accross the border only makes sense if the trip is combined with something else. This also is the reason why boring Waldshut is not an option to me, while Konstanz all the time is. A nice city, with very nice restaurants, and its location on the Bodensee. The same with Friedrichshafen with its beautiful location and in fact a sensational "Badi"
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My (Swiss) girlfriend has been shopping in Italy for years (but still does most of it in CH). She even used to do it by moped!

We just went to Varese yesterday (it was a holiday here) to buy mussels, some tuna for eating raw, and an octopus, plus staples like olive oil and bottled tomatoes. Figuring in the gas to get there, we probably didn't save anything much.

Tom
We when going for our family holidays in the Toscana in the late 1950ies, early 60ies, starting at 3am in Zürich were in Varese for a nice breakfast in that nice town at around 7am (not yet many highways on the CH side if any, and not yet as many as now on the Italian side ) --- so that I have Varese in quite a nice memory.
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