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70% of locals shop abroad

Around 70 per cent of Swiss consumers do shopping at foreign-owned stores, mainly because it is cheaper, according to a survey published on Wednesday.
This leads to an estimated loss in turnover for Swiss retailers of around SFr3.2 billion ($3.9 billion) said the study’s authors, retail consultants Fuhrer & Hotz.

SFr2.5 million alone is spent on food in foreign shops, says Fuhrer & Hotz. The company not only looked at classic “shopping tourism” – nipping over the border for bargains – but also shopping abroad in general.

German-speaking Swiss in particular like German discounters Aldi and Lidl. Price was given as the main reason for shopping outside Switzerland.

However, it is not necessarily those with the lowest incomes hunting for bargains: higher earners often do their daily purchases abroad, the study found. Top earners bought the most clothes.

The survey was based on an online questionnaire of around 1,000 people.

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I am indeed surprised that they like German discounters, as I have many a time been told by locals of the purported negative characteristics of Aldi and Lidl. And I still get those looks when buying budget brands like Prix Garantie. Maybe I do more of the same, when in Rome ...
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Old 29.06.2011, 22:07
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

It's the foreigners fault this SFr3.2 billion loss, they keep shopping across the border

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Around 70 per cent of Swiss consumers do shopping at foreign-owned stores, mainly because it is cheaper, according to a survey published on Wednesday.
This leads to an estimated loss in turnover for Swiss retailers of around SFr3.2 billion ($3.9 billion) said the study’s authors, retail consultants Fuhrer & Hotz.

SFr2.5 million alone is spent on food in foreign shops, says Fuhrer & Hotz. The company not only looked at classic “shopping tourism” – nipping over the border for bargains – but also shopping abroad in general.

German-speaking Swiss in particular like German discounters Aldi and Lidl. Price was given as the main reason for shopping outside Switzerland.

However, it is not necessarily those with the lowest incomes hunting for bargains: higher earners often do their daily purchases abroad, the study found. Top earners bought the most clothes.

The survey was based on an online questionnaire of around 1,000 people.

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I am indeed surprised that they like German discounters, as I have many a time been told by locals of the purported negative characteristics of Aldi and Lidl. And I still get those looks when buying budget brands like Prix Garantie. Maybe I do more of the same, when in Rome ...
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

The amount of individuals packed at the local Martkauf (similar like aldi) is astonishing. Every number plate in the parking lot is filled with BS tags in it. I think honestly it's a don't ask don't tell sorta thing, you don't ask, they don't tell you they are actually bargain shopping just like you...
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Around 70 per cent of Swiss consumers do shopping at foreign-owned stores, mainly because it is cheaper, according to a survey published on Wednesday.
This leads to an estimated loss in turnover for Swiss retailers of around SFr3.2 billion ($3.9 billion) said the study’s authors, retail consultants Fuhrer & Hotz.

SFr2.5 million alone is spent on food in foreign shops, says Fuhrer & Hotz. The company not only looked at classic “shopping tourism” – nipping over the border for bargains – but also shopping abroad in general.

German-speaking Swiss in particular like German discounters Aldi and Lidl. Price was given as the main reason for shopping outside Switzerland.

However, it is not necessarily those with the lowest incomes hunting for bargains: higher earners often do their daily purchases abroad, the study found. Top earners bought the most clothes.

The survey was based on an online questionnaire of around 1,000 people.

Swissinfo EN


I am indeed surprised that they like German discounters, as I have many a time been told by locals of the purported negative characteristics of Aldi and Lidl. And I still get those looks when buying budget brands like Prix Garantie. Maybe I do more of the same, when in Rome ...
I have been saying this since a long time already, thanks to confirm this. How often we have this discussion on the forum about prices and people saying only foreigners shop in the other side of the borders....
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Old 29.06.2011, 22:12
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I just had to requote this blog post taken from Swissinfo:

http://writeon.swissinfo.ch/?p=334#more-334

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Well, believe it or not, the chosen restaurant was within the Swiss line. When dinner was over, we all agreed that the food was average and overpriced.

Why, then, didn’t we decide to cross over the border? For the price of an unremarkable plate of grilled pork, we could have feasted on ravioli, ragù, tiramisu and excellent wine!

Well, apparently that’s not the done thing. It’s not even an option. Why should one take money out of Ticino? It’s bad for the economy.

Wow, I thought. These people have some pride. They’re prepared to compromise on quality and value for money just to support their local businesses… in public.

In private, however, things are different and everyone looks after the penny. No surprise that I regularly bump into friends and colleagues at the local (Italian) Coop, market and hairdresser on Saturdays.
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It's the foreigners fault this SFr3.2 billion loss, they keep shopping across the border
Doesn't seem to be too big a loss though, as 3.2 billion is roughly more than 1% of total sales.
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

Just the other week, I've read that the Marktkauf location with the highest turnover is the one right across the border from Basel. (can't seem to find the link anymore)
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I wonder if this trend also applies to Romandie.
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I think it is expected to not want to shop abroad, same as it is expected to hold certain political views and attribute certain traits to some people, treat women certain way...but then in privacy, it's all different.

Plus, people are learning to how to be consumer savvy, how not to fall for poor customer service, since now it is no longer true that one depends on that one store in the village. It is sad to see local economy hurt this way, but honestly, it's not going to hurt so extremely bad, me thinks, and, it will push the quality up, for the local people to enjoy (and us). Good thing.
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Around 70 per cent of Swiss consumers do shopping at foreign-owned stores, mainly because it is cheaper, according to a survey published on Wednesday.
This leads to an estimated loss in turnover for Swiss retailers of around SFr3.2 billion ($3.9 billion) said the study’s authors, retail consultants Fuhrer & Hotz.

SFr2.5 million alone is spent on food in foreign shops, says Fuhrer & Hotz. The company not only looked at classic “shopping tourism” – nipping over the border for bargains – but also shopping abroad in general.

German-speaking Swiss in particular like German discounters Aldi and Lidl. Price was given as the main reason for shopping outside Switzerland.

However, it is not necessarily those with the lowest incomes hunting for bargains: higher earners often do their daily purchases abroad, the study found. Top earners bought the most clothes.

The survey was based on an online questionnaire of around 1,000 people.

Swissinfo EN


I am indeed surprised that they like German discounters, as I have many a time been told by locals of the purported negative characteristics of Aldi and Lidl. And I still get those looks when buying budget brands like Prix Garantie. Maybe I do more of the same, when in Rome ...
That the prices in Aldi, Lidl, Mediamarkt and Conforama are relatively low is clear, it is to be mentioned however that their range of products is in fact excellent. Looks as if those in charge in these companies are really good professionals.
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Old 29.06.2011, 23:20
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I'm not surprised at all. As I mentioned before one can see many cars with AG and ZH plates across Waldhut. It is variety and low prices that attract masses. Not necessarily quality as e.g. Burger King's meat tastes a tad better in CH rather than in DE but the current exchange rate SFr gegen EUR and possibility to claim VAT make it favourable for many border shoppers.
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

Honestly speaking, why pay double price and get >50% quality / customer care

The Swiss businesses should start to rethink their business module as it doesn't seem to be working in today's globalized markets, even their own produced products ie. watches,...etc are 30% to 40% cheaper if bought online from the US / UK
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That the prices in Aldi, Lidl, Mediamarkt and Conforama are relatively low is clear, it is to be mentioned however that their range of products is in fact excellent. Looks as if those in charge in these companies are really good professionals.
Their ( DE Wirtschaftswissenschaftliche ) wiwi is better than ours here in CH ?
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I buy most of my clothes in the UK because they don't cater for my height, width and budget here. As in, what I'm prepared to pay for feminine, good quality clothes. If they would fit, I'd pay a little more and buy here but not even that is covered...
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Re: 70% of locals shop abroad

I have the same problem with shoes - get them from the States - half price and the breadth fits.
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Unfortunately the economist/pedant in me always looks for sampling problems. It seems that the people most likely to be online in the first place and then have the impetus and knowledge to complete an online survey are precisely those sorts of people who are both more mobile and price sensitive. I wonder how many Swiss that truly represents.
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I think it is expected to not want to shop abroad, same as it is expected to hold certain political views and attribute certain traits to some people, treat women certain way...but then in privacy, it's all different.

Plus, people are learning to how to be consumer savvy, how not to fall for poor customer service, since now it is no longer true that one depends on that one store in the village. It is sad to see local economy hurt this way, but honestly, it's not going to hurt so extremely bad, me thinks, and, it will push the quality up, for the local people to enjoy (and us). Good thing.
Support the local shops where they ARE either good or cheap (COOP with 1L bottles of red wine for between 1.95 and 3.20 of quite nice quality, or their beer for -.50 per 5DL. See that Aldi and Lidl in CH are a bit more expensive than their stores inside Germany. But why not support trade in places like Konstanz for books, textiles, wines (not least German wines (specialities like Spätburgunder Weissherbst = Rosé) etc. I personally like this Konstanz-Kreuzlingen "duo-city" where the locals from both sides talk with each others, compare local realities, and increasingly belong together. And neither of them has that strange arrogance, Baslers (not all but too many) tend to have towards the Elsässer !

What in reality hurts local trade is NOT so much that people (including themselves in private and in business shop in "Euroland" but facts like
- a lot of the stuff bought in Euroland BEFORE the rise of the CHF
- a lot of the stuff bought under outdated contracts
- being "bound" to a derelict price-level by the facts above
- having to pay for CH real-estate in CHF

A lot of the things reported are rubbish anyway. Realities look different
- Germans, French and Italians know well what in CH is either better or cheaper, and act accordingly
- CH locals along the borders already in the 1920 and 30ies went accross the border for shopping..... and again after 1945 until today
- many CH locals in Cantons like Ticino, Graubünden, Schaffhausen, Basel and Geneva for ages lived on SMUGGLING
- bonded warehouses in Basel, Geneva, Cadenazzo (nr Lago Maggiore) and Zürich make quite big business, and have done so for decades, just out of the realities above

And what exactly IS "local" ? I mean, in St. Gallen, Romanshorn, Kreuzlingen, Frauenfeld, Stein-am-Rhein and Schaffhausen, wines from north of the Bodensee are more "local" than wines from the Valais, the Vaud or Geneva (30 to 50 kms against 250 to 300 kms)

CONCLUSION : purchase your things where they either are cheapest or best and do not care about either national borders or ownerships, while never forgetting that the distances from your place to the shopping place must be taken into full account (CHF 1.-- per km plus CHF 5.-- per hour needed to reach the place)
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I'm not surprised at all. As I mentioned before one can see many cars with AG and ZH plates across Waldhut. It is variety and low prices that attract masses. Not necessarily quality as e.g. Burger King's meat tastes a tad better in CH rather than in DE but the current exchange rate SFr gegen EUR and possibility to claim VAT make it favourable for many border shoppers.
I cannot say anything pro or contra BurgerKing things, but I know many restaurants right across the border which are excellent. That Greek restaurant in Hohentengen (hope it is still alive and well) was always excellent and should now profit from the freakish high rate of the CHF, and so for sure does that nice Chinese place right across from the train-station in Jestetten
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I buy most of my clothes in the UK because they don't cater for my height, width and budget here. As in, what I'm prepared to pay for feminine, good quality clothes. If they would fit, I'd pay a little more and buy here but not even that is covered...
I know you are a busy student and all, but gota share this, if you have a sewing machine (the feminine, budget and availability will get covered), I rewarded myself after a passed exam with something I made myself to wear..I am getting a few Japanese sewing books, so nice, and super easy patterns, look...Swiss take their sewing classes, I bet you can sew!







There are so many of them now..
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Honestly speaking, why pay double price and get >50% quality / customer care

The Swiss businesses should start to rethink their business module as it doesn't seem to be working in today's globalized markets, even their own produced products ie. watches,...etc are 30% to 40% cheaper if bought online from the US / UK
Ever heard about Woolworth ? No ? Woolworth is the place from where Mr Duttweiler copied his "business module" from. Similar with COOP which got its "business module" from abroad as well.

And, to "rethink" does not help you as in a non-food shop, your stuff most likely is older than two years to a heavy extent. Even a "mixed calculation" leaves you in deep shit. Our notary had some stiff words of criticism about our collapsed margins. And only slightly retreated when our CEO asked him whether he never did shopping in Konstanz or Waldshut

The "business modules" here are the same as in Italy, France or Germany
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