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Old 30.06.2011, 13:51
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Treverus is quite right. These people who "forget" to pay their bus fares are just playing the system. I think anyone caught on public transport without a valid ticket should be kicked out of the country. And then there's those who bring their library books back late. In the village stocks I say.

And the other day, I saw one pillock in a car driving at 51km/h when it was clearly signposted 50!

It just gets worse and Switzerland is on such a downward spiral that in 2 years time it will be just like Basingstoke!

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Old 30.06.2011, 13:56
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I am not "pro laws" or anything. I simply believe in Kant and his take on self awareness. In short that people are responsible for their actions. If you make a mistake, pay for it. If you did it on purpose (and honestly, how many people really FORGET that you need a ticket..?), you took your chance and lost. Nothing to cry either.
Meh. Forgiveness shouldn't be underated. Someone who makes a genuine mistake will often be more careful and grateful for an act of leniency than if punished.

Crying about it? People - especially women - cry about all sorts of things. Never understood it myself (but then again I went to a boarding school so it was beaten out of me), but if she made a genuine mistake, then yes, she might cry (or something like that... I read it somewhere... I think).

That's the benefit of dealing with another human being rather than a machine.
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Old 30.06.2011, 13:57
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First: The inspector was actually a woman not a guy

Second: I don't care at all about 80 CHF less in a rich govt income as much as i really care much more for smile on a human beings face.
Another 80CHF to be paid by the good citizens of Geneva then...

though from the way you told it, it did seem like she'd genuinely forgotten her abo, or had run for the bus without time to get a ticket, á la Treverus excuse.
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:01
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(and honestly, how many people really FORGET that you need a ticket..?).
Forgotten that one is needed? I haven't.
Forgotten that I needed to get one though, I have!

Generally, if I am running around doing errands on my own, I get a 1-day ticket these days, that way I can get off and on whenever and wherever the day may take me around Basel.

HOWEVER, occasionally I am with my hubby and he's not a wanderer or shopper so we usually only go to one destination and back. I have once or twice when with him, forgotten that I just bought a single destination ticket rather than a day pass and wind up getting off at the next stop (while he holds the door open, forcing the tram to wait) to get a ticket.


So, I can see how a parent (of either gender), frazzled with a child, forgetting to get a ticket, especially if it's other than habitual behavior.
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:01
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No, I really really don't have a bad day. I seriously believe what I posted above. And I don't care if some hippies groan at me for it.

ex. hippie thank you.


EDIT.. what I find amazing is that clever trever thinks this woman should have the lashes, and yet an escaped murderer / rapist's rights should be considered. Dangerous Man on the loose
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:04
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No, I really really don't have a bad day. I seriously believe what I posted above. And I don't care if some hippies groan at me for it.



Sure. I made many mistakes in my life. And when I got caught... I paid. Simple.

I am not "pro laws" or anything. I simply believe in Kant and his take on self awareness. In short that people are responsible for their actions. If you make a mistake, pay for it. If you did it on purpose (and honestly, how many people really FORGET that you need a ticket..?), you took your chance and lost. Nothing to cry either.

And to be clear again: No, I don't know what situation the woman was in. This being Switzerland I am aware what benefits even the poorest here live on - yes, they don't need to dodge the fare. Yes, the 80 bucks might sting a person on the dough - rightfully so.
They don't always forget they need a ticket, they just forget it.
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:04
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

I do agree with the sentiment, that it brings a warm feeling to the heart to see an act of kindness, especially to someone who may be genuinely stressed out, tired, rushed etc.

But does that mean it's a free ride for all mothers who can turn on the water works ?
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Wow, I didn't know the ticket inspectors were allowed to apply any discretion. Now I know that they are and am feeling the great human reaction of for my fines in the past, when I had some very fine excuses I'll have you know.
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You never know what situation this person is in and why they didn't buy a ticket
's what i was thinking, and often do.

80chf is 1-4 pairs of shoes for the kid, or the weeks food bill.. all because you didnt have change in your pocket or simply forgot due to your mind being so full of other stuff.
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:07
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Crying about it? People - especially women - cry about all sorts of things.
And there are many good reasos to cry when in contact with the cops. Teargas for example... getting a 80 CHFs fine? less so...



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They don't always forget they need a ticket, they just forget it.
So the 80 CHF reminder will help them to not forget it in the future. That's what the fine is for, no?
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:09
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And there are many good reasos to cry when in contact with the cops. Teargas for example... getting a 80 CHFs fine? less so...





So the 80 CHF reminder will help them to not forget it in the future. That's what the fine is for, no?
and perhaps a simple act of kindness she will remember just as much.

have you ever, or recently been in a position where 80f. is A LOT of money.. perhaps a weeks groceries as stated above.
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:11
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I don't really get what some people are posting, did you forget you're humans?, did you forget what means to forgive?, if you been lucky to have MBA, PHD, +200k jobs, fancy cars, houses with pools and luxury vacations, i'm sorry to tell you not everyone gets this and the woman i have seen today looked like a genuine, hardworking and great mum who is not having as luxury life as some of you have and this is what the inspectors saw too, that's why i were so touched and happy of their reaction.

I think the laws, system and politics just corrupt you and you forgot about the beauty of being a human being, being so cruel about such a great attitude between humans as you think it breaks the prefect system you're enjoying.
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You never know what situation this person is in and why they didn't buy a ticket,
This is exactly my point, also the woman had an abo for the kid, so was not THAT bad...I would have felt sorry also...
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I do agree with the sentiment, that it brings a warm feeling to the heart to see an act of kindness, especially to someone who may be genuinely stressed out, tired, rushed etc.

But does that mean it's a free ride for all mothers who can turn on the water works ?
As the man said, it is a discretionary thing on the part of the agent. In any job the longer you do it and the more you hear you start knowing what's true and what's BS. I listened to guy on the tram relate a story to a friend. The inspector was on the tram, saw him running to catch it, waited for him to catch his breath and asked him for his pass. He couldn't produce it. The kid said give me break I was running late for class! He did. He charged him, but only half.

Someone told me one time, anyone that does not trust, is not one to be trusted.
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I do agree with the sentiment, that it brings a warm feeling to the heart to see an act of kindness, especially to someone who may be genuinely stressed out, tired, rushed etc.

But does that mean it's a free ride for all mothers who can turn on the water works ?
Generalizations, aren't they great? NOT!
OP only said that this act of kindness warmed up his heart, not that it should be allowed for everyone to ride trams without paying...gee people lighten up!
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So the 80 CHF reminder will help them to not forget it in the future. That's what the fine is for, no?
and perhaps a simple act of kindness she will remember just as much.
...and probably cry about that too...

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have you ever, or recently been in a position where 80f. is A LOT of money.. perhaps a weeks groceries as stated above.
The flip side, is that if it is "only 80 CHF", then what's the big deal about skipping the fine?

Or maybe she was stressed, because she knew her husband would beat her for the fine...
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Well, I'd talk to more chicks in an hour than you in the last year...
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Conductor has done their Mitzvah for the day. Mazzies!

The other grumps here can steal Christmas for all I care.
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Don't worry everyone, the inspectors noted down her details and she'll get the bill in the post. Doing it this way avoids a scene.


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PS the chocolate contained a sedative to keep the child quiet and allow the other passengers to enjoy their journey in peace.
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