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Old 30.06.2011, 14:22
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Well, I'd talk to more chicks in an hour than you in the last year...
They'll still hate you as much as they hate me though
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:22
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Generalizations, aren't they great? NOT!
OP only said that this act of kindness warmed up his heart, not that it should be allowed for everyone to ride trams without paying...gee people lighten up!
Exactly what i meant.

Just one word, no one is taking their money, cars, houses, pools to the graves when they die and for the system you're just another data entry to delete, so don't be so defensive and patriotic about it....a human being who will always remember for one good thing you've done to him / her worth much more than anything you will earn in this superficial life, that's what really counts if you really care.
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...In short that people are responsible for their actions. If you make a mistake, pay for it. If you did it on purpose (and honestly, how many people really FORGET that you need a ticket...
I'm kind of in agreement with you on this - but mercy is ok on occasion too. 80 CHF is a lot of money to some people - even on the Swiss social.

I have honestly forgotten to buy a ticket. And on that one day, naturally the inspectors got on board. As soon as they did, I realised my mistake and went over to talk to them. Still got my 80CHF fine - but was give a payment slip instead of having to pay cash. (Payment slip payment usually costs 100CHF).
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Another 80CHF to be paid by the good citizens of Geneva then...
It's not a zero-sum game and you know it.

I'm as skeptical as they come, but I'd much rather have faith in human beings not all cynically profiting off the system than demand that government institutions rigidly line their pockets no matter what. I'll gladly pour oil on that slippery slope. So I see no reason to celebrate whenever someone gets a fine and was happy to read this story.

(A separate point, though, is that something tells me this woman wouldn't have gotten the benefit of the doubt if she wasn't a mother with her child right there. Mistakes are only genuine and uncynical if you've been breeding, you see.)
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:27
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

I bought a nachtrain ticket in Brugg on my way home from work one time--it was really really late. I got on my last train (in the succession of trains that I have to take to get home), and there were ticket inspectors. Turns out that the nachtrain ticket I bought in Brugg (SVW I think) only gets me to the main station in Zurich. Then I was supposed to buy another one (SVV I think) to get me home. I didn't know this...

It was clear to the ticket inspector that I wasn't trying to skirt paying, that I wasn't a drunk on my way home, etc., and he explained what I needed to do in the future. I didn't cry. And he didn't fine me. I really really appreciated this at the time. Because although I would have understood him fining me (rules and all), the icing on the proverbial cake would have been a nice 80CHF ticket after working over 18 hours that day. It just put a smile on my face. And I think this is all the OP was trying to say--sometimes it is these small things that make a big difference. And it was small indeed...
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:28
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PS the chocolate contained a sedative to keep the child quiet and allow the other passengers to enjoy their journey in peace.
Or a tracking device.
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That's exactly what i meant but some people just counting penny's here and considering it a huge crime towards the society

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I bought a nachtrain ticket in Brugg on my way home from work one time--it was really really late. I got on my last train (in the succession of trains that I have to take to get home), and there were ticket inspectors. Turns out that the nachtrain ticket I bought in Brugg (SVW I think) only gets me to the main station in Zurich. Then I was supposed to buy another one (SVV I think) to get me home. I didn't know this...

It was clear to the ticket inspector that I wasn't trying to skirt paying, that I wasn't a drunk on my way home, etc., and he explained what I needed to do in the future. I didn't cry. And he didn't fine me. I really really appreciated this at the time. Because although I would have understood him fining me (rules and all), the icing on the proverbial cake would have been a nice 80CHF ticket after working over 18 hours that day. It just put a smile on my face. And I think this is all the OP was trying to say--sometimes it is these small things that make a big difference. And it was small indeed...
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:30
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

Wow, never thought I get s much flak, groans and bad rep for believing that people should be equal before the law - even if they cry.

Common, fluffy bunnehs- gimmi more.

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Old 30.06.2011, 14:33
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Common, fluffy bunnehs- gimmi more.


ok
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:35
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...and probably cry about that too...



The flip side, is that if it is "only 80 CHF", then what's the big deal about skipping the fine?

Or maybe she was stressed, because she knew her husband would beat her for the fine...
That's whole different thread of it's own.

But maybe it's the difference between paying the fine and eating for a week.
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

People equal before the law is something to respect but being and acting human is much more merit than any laws, systems or finances, specially if it's a human in need or unintentionally done a mistake, forgiveness is the most superior gift god gave us but unfortunately we don't use it that much.

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Wow, never thought I get s much flak, groans and bad rep for believing that people should be equal before the law - even if they cry.

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Old 30.06.2011, 14:48
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I bought a nachtrain ticket in Brugg on my way home from work one time--it was really really late. I got on my last train (in the succession of trains that I have to take to get home), and there were ticket inspectors. Turns out that the nachtrain ticket I bought in Brugg (SVW I think) only gets me to the main station in Zurich. Then I was supposed to buy another one (SVV I think) to get me home. I didn't know this...

It was clear to the ticket inspector that I wasn't trying to skirt paying, that I wasn't a drunk on my way home, etc., and he explained what I needed to do in the future. I didn't cry. And he didn't fine me. I really really appreciated this at the time. Because although I would have understood him fining me (rules and all), the icing on the proverbial cake would have been a nice 80CHF ticket after working over 18 hours that day. It just put a smile on my face. And I think this is all the OP was trying to say--sometimes it is these small things that make a big difference. And it was small indeed...
You see: There is in my eyes a huge difference in the two cases. No sane person can understand the ZVV night prices. You obviously tried and made a mistake. The controller can see this and corrects you. I guess you'd agree that if you were on the train entirely without ticket, he should have fined you, no? ...That's what the lady in the OPs case did. I would immdialtey fully agree if she bought the wrong ticket or the one hour ticket expired for five minutes. But I don't agree that supporting fare dodger is some act of kindness and much needed in Switzerland.
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Wow, never thought I get s much flak, groans and bad rep for believing that people should be equal before the law - even if they cry.

Common, fluffy bunnehs- gimmi more.

Trev -do not give your opinion on here. If it is the 'wrong' one, you will be flakked to death.
(I am speaking from experience).
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So you've never made a mistake in your life then?

Congrats. You're perfect, I wish I was like you.
I've made countless mistakes in the past but I noticed that the ones I paid for, I never repeated...
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Trev -do not give your opinion on here. If it is the 'wrong' one, you will be flakked to death.
He doesn't. He puts forward a cogent argument.
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... i would be happily going to pay the 80 chf she had to pay and i would feel so honored doing
You're still missing the point...
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Old 30.06.2011, 14:51
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You're still missing the point...

That's what she said???
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You, know, Trev, I kinda agree with you... but... people do make mistakes. I've jumped on a tram without my tram pass, having left it at home and only realised once I've got home.

People do make mistakes, and I can understand a mother with a child being tired - aka emotional - during the morning commute and forgetting to buy the ticket.

We don't actually know that the person knowingly tried to ticket dodge.
That's a brilliant post; it summarizes the point of this whole thread: ticket inspectors should only fine persons they know for sure are ticket dodgers, and give chocolates to other ticketless travelers.

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Dear readers,
This isn't about circumstances, it is about a rule which we must honour -we buy tickets before we jump on a bus.

I have been on a train with the wrong ticket, I told the conductor that I am happily ready to pay the fine, as it is my fault, and that it was me who had to verify & check before getting on the train...we're talking about a wrong ticket here & not the lack thereof.

Emotions often kick in situations like this, but in the end, we must respect the rules wherever we are & regardless of whether we're mothers or fathers etc.

One day I may forget to buy a ticket as I might be in a hurry to ride the train, if the conductor lets me walk away with no consequences, I will know full well that that same conductor fined somebody else with the same circumstances...that is unfair
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

Nir, Trev,
have you guys never been stopped for speeding, accidently running a red light, and let off with a warning by a police officer using his or her discretion ?
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