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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

A number of times I've bought train or tram tickets and walked away from the machine without them. Never got caught on a tram, but luckily when checked on the trains it was not the Autocontrole evil eye ones, and I just bought another ticket (or pair, if with the wife ). I didn't try to explain to the conductor, 'cause, well, why? True as it was that I paid for the tickets how many similar stories does a conductor hear in a day?

Trev, do you really believe that a ticket inspector or cop or whatever authority figure should never, ever, just let someone off? If so, fine, rules are rules, sure, but just seems odd.
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Didn't you read what everybody wrote?
You don't get an 80 CHF for leaving your pass at home...
No you wanker ...... there was 113 posts before me.

It was also the only time I left my pass at home, so I didn't know you wouldn't get a fine for that.
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Old 30.06.2011, 17:25
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Trev, do you really believe that a ticket inspector or cop or whatever authority figure should never, ever, just let someone off? If so, fine, rules are rules, sure, but just seems odd.
That's not what I said. I said multiple times that there are plenty of rules that I would ignore as well as a inspector:
- Somebody forgets his abo, ID's himself and I can see in my computer that he has a valid abo: Do I really need to make him queue at a station to pay 5 bucks? not sure...
- Somebody bought a ticket but did something wrong (JLF's night ticket example)
- ...

We all make mistakes and it's nice if you find somebody understanding when dealing with it. But honestly: Getting caught without a ticket and starting to cry? Not a case for mercy. And I bet that one half here is by default against any police (they are always either too soft or too harsh) and the other half only responds because it was a mom with a kid... poor moms. She MUST have been stressed out and cannot possibly have done something wrong...
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Old 30.06.2011, 17:33
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Hi,
From the way I understand it if you have left your pass at home you get charged a minimal fee but then have to surrender your valid pass within a matter of days or a fine will be issued.

My son got issued with a fine because he had not validated a multiple journey ticket on the way home from school. The bus had gone one stop. I rang up Zvv and explained he was was only seven and had just been tired. Kindly they only charged us 20chf. But we have been so careful since to ensure he always has his valid pass. We now ensure he has his pass every day and would not use a multi journey pass again,too much responsibility for the little guy who has enough to remember every day as it is.

I think the lady was very lucky to get a humane inspector, some would have made an example of her really.

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Old 30.06.2011, 17:37
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My son got issued with a fine because he had not validated a multiple journey ticket on the way home from school. The bus had gone one stop. I rang up Zvv and explained he was was only seven and had just been tired.
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Poor kid

That must have shattered his world.

I can't begin to imagine how intimidating it must be for a 7yo to face up to a ticket inspector.
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Old 30.06.2011, 17:41
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

well, i posted that ones, but will do again as its still annoying me.
i buy a monthly pass, 10 zones. i do that mostly beginning of the month.
it happened that i forgot to extend the abo as i was on buis trip or vacation and my rhythm was still like "its 8th of the month...i bought my ticket already" and noticed on inspection: damn, i forgot. ok. my bloody mistake. it happend in nearly 5 years 2 times with a 3 years "break". a couple of month ago it happened again. and i received a fine of 150chuffs because it was the 3rd time plus the note, it will be filed by the police n send to court. i called sbb n explained the situation. i said, that i have 16 and another 38 tickets bought in a row, lying in my work desk drawer plus every single credit card transaction record or bankstatement of even more months to proof that i dont have the need to doge a bloody fare and never did (for real). that i am a paying customer for nearly 5 years and if it would be possible to a) reduce the fine, b) dont hand it to court.

nope, rule is rule.

so...tbhonest with you... i am on the womans side. if she was dodging or not, SBB took my money with no mercy..so be it that she dodges the fare as i have paid for her and im ok with that...
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Old 30.06.2011, 17:47
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Poor kid

That must have shattered his world.

I can't begin to imagine how intimidating it must be for a 7yo to face up to a ticket inspector.
He was a bit upset when he got the 80 chf fine, he doesn't get that much pocket money lol. We just made sure that after that incident he would not be put in that position again.

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Old 30.06.2011, 20:27
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That's so pathetic of the inspectors to fine a 7 years old kid, they could have advised him what to do

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Hi,
From the way I understand it if you have left your pass at home you get charged a minimal fee but then have to surrender your valid pass within a matter of days or a fine will be issued.

My son got issued with a fine because he had not validated a multiple journey ticket on the way home from school. The bus had gone one stop. I rang up Zvv and explained he was was only seven and had just been tired. Kindly they only charged us 20chf. But we have been so careful since to ensure he always has his valid pass. We now ensure he has his pass every day and would not use a multi journey pass again,too much responsibility for the little guy who has enough to remember every day as it is.

I think the lady was very lucky to get a humane inspector, some would have made an example of her really.

Darcy
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Old 30.06.2011, 20:41
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That's so pathetic of the inspectors to fine a 7 years old kid, they could have advised him what to do
Seriously, yeah, I mean....7 years old?! *sigh* I admire the desire to have a well oiled machine but, at the same time, wtf...? I could see them giving a note for the kid to take home along the line of "hey, wtf, make sure your kid has the right ticket" but traumatizing a 7yo seems rather...hard to define.

This is part of my dismay about staying in CH...not only do I love a rulebreaker, as I suspect most yankees do, but part of the reason you have humans doing this sort of job is to make the kind of call where you understand that no everyone breaks a rule knowingly and, thus, deserves a bit of a break.
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Old 30.06.2011, 20:50
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Re: I got so touched today by a great human reaction

It happened to me many years ago. I had just found out the worst possible news from my 3 year old's cardiologist and was driving to the train station to pick up my husband.
I pulled into the station and parked smack on the yellow taxi lines. I kept thinking, "how am I going to tell him about the necessary surgery ?" I didn't notice that a policeman had walked right up to my car with a fine in hand.

He looked at me and my little one and asked: Are you ok ? I remember feeling so distraught and silently shaking my head. He leaned into the car, took the fine from my hands and cancelled it, asked me to move my car, wished me a good evening and simply walked away.

I met a a nice person that day, he had an official uniform on, I deserved a fine, I didn't get one.

Yeah it's fluffy, but hey, don't know about you, but I would not be able to survive in a world of only rough and tough.
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Hi,
From the way I understand it if you have left your pass at home you get charged a minimal fee but then have to surrender your valid pass within a matter of days or a fine will be issued.

My son got issued with a fine because he had not validated a multiple journey ticket on the way home from school. The bus had gone one stop. I rang up Zvv and explained he was was only seven and had just been tired. Kindly they only charged us 20chf. But we have been so careful since to ensure he always has his valid pass. We now ensure he has his pass every day and would not use a multi journey pass again,too much responsibility for the little guy who has enough to remember every day as it is.

I think the lady was very lucky to get a humane inspector, some would have made an example of her really.

Darcy
Bloody hell, it's only CHF 5 for a forgotten pass in Zurich! CHF 20 sounds a bit of a con.
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Old 30.06.2011, 21:07
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No you wanker ......
The wanker would be the one with 'hardie' in his nickname hahahaha mister billhardie??
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Old 30.06.2011, 21:13
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This is an interesting thread. The comments about how "unfair" that SBB lady acted made me chuckle. Unfair? Life's unfair. If this is how unfair life gets, I am so ok with it.

People are not robots. The reason there are no turnikets but it is humans who check, is for a good reason to evaluate the situ, me thinks. People make human errors, planes falling and all, but honestly, people make "mistakes" that are actually well meant and on purpose, I wouldn't expect humans to stick to the rules, at all times. Impossible. I like that SBB lady for having some heart.

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I simply believe in Kant and his take on self awareness. In short that people are responsible for their actions..
Sure. I do too. But it might have been that SBB lady's moral imperative to actually cut the black passenger some slack for once, so there was no scene in front of the kiddo. I don't think by sticking to the rules at that particular moment the overall situation of CFF and people's attitude to personal responsibility would shatter.

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Trev -do not give your opinion on here. If it is the 'wrong' one, you will be flakked to death.
(I am speaking from experience).
Naw. Only lay off insults to overweight people . Or don't, and then some people will react.

Hmmm. I really do not think that expecting people to act like machines ensures some ethics and motivates all stick to rules. People should have ethics, not for fear of being penalized, for other reasons. I think that was Kant's message. To act right, without having to be checked. The fact that nice SBB officer actually showed that passenger human face, might actually inspire folks to do well without the policing. Not all SBB people uniformly sticking to rules and people doing good deeds because they have no other choice. Just cash push. But Kant was an idealist, that's why I love him.
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Let's just hope that this poor lady wasn't in the slightest overweight as well as a crying Mom, or the inspector would have been lynched for fining her.

I suspect she was, like many others, just taking a chance because the inspectors aren't always around......
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Quite funny, Mud, but I hope no animals were hurt in the taking of this photograph......
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Quite funny, Mud, but I hope no animals were hurt in the taking of this photograph......
I believe the horse was already dead... that's kind of the point, isn't it?
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Having spent 5 years commuting from Basel to Zurich on a 1st class GA (I hate travelling with poor people), I got out of the habit of buying tram, train and bus tickets for each journey.

When we moved to Zurich I didn't renew my GA but got a ZVV Zone 10 ticket as it made sense.

I do go back to Basel for Fasnacht practice a couple of Wednesdays a month, and have to get from the SBB to Marktplatz which is a short tram ride. I have one of those Mehrfahrtenkart things for Basel, but being used to jumping on trams and buses without needing to buy a ticket it is a real effort to remember to stamp the card when in Basel. I forgot to do it once at the SBB - but got off at Aeschenplatz and stamped it when I remembered.

So, Treverus, shall I give myself up to the police or do you want to do it and get your reward. I'll remember to kick myself out of the country after I've paid my fine.

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