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5km from me and they had flooding a couple of weeks ago..
Central Switzerland has certainly had a battering over the last couple of weeks, hasn't it?

The storms last week not only flooded the main road in Pfaffikon (and the cellars of all the neighbouring houses, restaurants and bars), but they also displaced a solid concrete bridge over a lovely little babbling brook. I get the impression that the brook wasn't quite so lovely and little when the bridge was uprooted from its foundations and dashed against the rocks on the bank.

You'd have to see it to believe it: pictures will follow as soon as I can persuade my computer and phone to talk to each other.
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

I was on the PC at the time the storm was beginning to reach its intensity here in Vaud, alone in the apartment and scared out of all proportions. I don't know how I managed to do it but somehow I summoned the nerve to close the terrace doors, was too paralysed with fear to go in the en-suite to close that window....I switched off the Powermac, slammed the lights off, grabbed my rosary and a blanket and simply melted into the sofa with all my fear. I cried and cried----panicked by all the eerie sounds, the light bulbs crackling, the entrance door of the apartment building was banging like there was going to be no tomorrow---- I wanted to run upstairs to see if one of our neighbours was in so that I could go and sit with her. My legs were simply glued to my torso. "Christ, I'm in my early thirties and I've been through quite a bit in my time, and I'm terrified of thunder and lightning? This is not me." I said to myself as I gripped the rosary tighter and tighter, watching the tiled floor illuminate into a brilliant white.

Shit, one of my cats was outside, "Oh my poor baby, run and hide like me!".
My OH, I knew, was on his way home on his motorbike---the minutes just didn't go by fast enough. When he did arrive to find me all wrapped up and tearful, he tried to feel sorry for me but ended up in fits of laughter. He couldn't understand why I was so afraid, reminding me that I jumped out of planes for kicks. Well, I'd rather do that any day than be tormented by the greatness of nature.

As I nurse the bruised centre of my palm, I wish that I could appreciate the beauty of storms like everybody else. I can only imagine what it must be like.
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I can hear more thunder coming now and went for the inside option - chance that the parking fills up are much smaller than more hail...
I yesterday evening between about 8 and 10 pm was sitting outside the Shamrock Pub under the cover they have there. It was raining but nicely warm. Intense rain on the way back but only short ways at ZchHB and overhere, so no problem. No hailshowers in the Glattbrugg area this time apparently.
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Nice jokes. You know that people lost their lives in this storm?
Hailstorms often cause loss of lives

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Central Switzerland has certainly had a battering over the last couple of weeks, hasn't it?

The storms last week not only flooded the main road in Pfaffikon (and the cellars of all the neighbouring houses, restaurants and bars), but they also displaced a solid concrete bridge over a lovely little babbling brook. I get the impression that the brook wasn't quite so lovely and little when the bridge was uprooted from its foundations and dashed against the rocks on the bank.

You'd have to see it to believe it: pictures will follow as soon as I can persuade my computer and phone to talk to each other.
Aye the main road from Sihlbrugg to Hirzel had a massive landslide in the last downpour they "were" starting to repair the damage I reckon more damage after last night, we'll see!
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Hailstorm often cause loss of lives
Well, let's just all have a ****ing joke fest every time there's a hailstorm, eh?
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Which i assume is not covered by insurance
Depending on the insurance policy. There even are specialized Hagel-Versicherungen. Farmers in areas like north/east of the Napf (BE/LU) tend to cover such a hail-insurance as a full hailstorm can liquidate whole fields
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Old 08.07.2011, 11:20
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Well, let's just all have a ****ing joke fest every time there's a hailstorm, eh?
joke-fests ? Not exactly, as hailstorms usually result in heavy destruction and often loss of lives. At the other hand, for those not directly hit no reason for panic. Strange about such hailstorms is that they may hit a stretch of 200 meters, but leave things beside that zone untouched.

Experts for years however have forecast an increase of hailstorms in France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary for the coming years
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You can see how localised the storm was on these pictures here (scroll down to see the photographs taken by "Tinu" in Maennedorf).

Apparently a waterspout was seen on the lake, too.

Looking at the photos that Tinu took, it does remind me of when I've seen tornado weather before. As horrible as it is, it is a "lucky" thing that Switzerland has such a dynamic landscape, from previous observation (and discussions with some meteorology students at ERAU), it seems that such storms building over flat land would surely have developed into tornadoes.

As nice as it is on one hand to have a few days hot, followed by some cooling off and then back and forth again, that is the perfect recipe for such disaster weather. Please stay safe everyone and also keep in mind (sorry sorry sorry for those two lost souls yesterday) that trees will NOT keep you safe in such storms.
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Old 08.07.2011, 11:41
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We had a big storm in Swiss Romande in July 2005. Thread here.
I experienced that. Vevey looked like several bombs had hit it. I had to have every panel on my car replaced. The insurance that covered it I didnt' quite understand. I didn't have to pay any excess at all. All the damage repair was paid for.

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Come on Basel! I want a huge hailstorm - never seen one before. ...
Really, you don't. They're very scary. And I really don't want to have one until I've got my garage cleared out and I can put my car in it.

The two who died were killed by a falling tree. They'd gone to shelter under the trees, when suddenly one of the trees fell. While I know that you should never seek shelter under a tree during a storm, wtf do you do when hailstones the size of your fist are falling out of the sky?

www.meteocentrale.ch is pretty good for forecasting the weather in the next few hours, and has the severe weather warnings. Don't go out without consulting it.

Point of trivia. Per sq kilometer, the UK has the most tornados per year. They're just not as big or devestating as the mid-west ones.
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Old 08.07.2011, 11:51
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While I know that you should never seek shelter under a tree during a storm, wtf do you do when hailstones the size of your fist are falling out of the sky?
Unfortunately in the case of hail, the only answer is to get inside someplace, or perhaps under an "overpass"... have to be careful about that though as often hail goes hand-in-hand with heavy rain so you need to be high while also under a solid sheltering.

Here is an insurance website (from US) with some safety tips for people and property.

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Hailstones vary greatly in size, but even small ones – driven by gravity and strong winds – pose a danger to anything or anyone caught in a storm. As a storm approaches, put vehicles in the garage and bring pets inside. If you are outdoors, go indoors immediately.


Once you’re indoors, close all drapes, blinds, or shades to prevent broken window glass and hailstones from entering your home. If possible, move to a basement, cellar, or other level of the building not directly below the roof. Stay indoors until the storm has passed.


If you’re on the road during a hailstorm, stay in your vehicle and slow down or stop, as roads may become slippery. Once you have pulled over safely, turn your back to windows or cover yourself with a blanket to protect yourself from broken glass.
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

I think the SMS warning service they have is without additional charge, apart from the normal SMS charge? Anyway, if used you receive a bad weather warning for your local area. It saved our terrace furniture a couple of times...

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www.meteocentrale.ch is pretty good for forecasting the weather in the next few hours, and has the severe weather warnings. Don't go out without consulting it.

Point of trivia. Per sq kilometer, the UK has the most tornados per year. They're just not as big or devestating as the mid-west ones.
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I found an email warning service, but not the SMS.
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

Here is an iphone video I took, I was trying to upload it directly but it wont...

https://download.yousendit.com/M0RyK0dwQk5YSHl4dnc9PQ
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At the other hand, for those not directly hit no reason for panic.
No reason for panic, sure, but since there are members of this forum who are colleagues of the people who were killed in this storm, perhaps the jolly japesters above might try to resist their urge to share their crap jokes with us just this once?

I really cannot comprehend how ****ing moronic some people can be at times (not you, Wolli).
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Old 08.07.2011, 12:27
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

Just had a visit from a chap living near Lachen. He said that it was not even raining yesterday evening. But that they had seen the storm "coming over" and raging through the aerea between Pfäffikon/SZ and Richterswil towards Rapperswil.
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Re: What on earth just happened in Pfaffikon SZ?

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Hmmm... like no thunderstorm I've ever experienced. Everything went pitch black, and all the windows were battered by random objects, followed by these enormous hailstones.

There's all sorts of stuff all over everywhere, street lights smashed, balcony canopies hanging off, and the road is flooded.

I've never seen anything like it.
Same happened back at home March last year, hundreds of millions of dollars in damages, around 25,000 brand new cars looking like golfballs (great bargains to be had later, if you didn't mind the dents!) and untold damage all around the place. Only hit in some suburbs, including mine, and was all over in about 10 minutes or so. I spent the rest of the evening mopping up the floodwaters.....and it was 34C and humid.

Gotta love Mother Nature.
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Here is an iphone video I took, I was trying to upload it directly but it wont...

https://download.yousendit.com/M0RyK0dwQk5YSHl4dnc9PQ
Thanks for sharing that - it is like something out of a horror film - very scary.
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

We head up to the house tonight with no idea whether we were hit by the storm - and if so the damage that awaits us

We are just hoping that the garden survived after the amount of work we put in over the last few months.
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Re: Violent, fatal Summer storms over Central Switzerland

Sorry, my bad. I just checked again and it runs via SF Meteo. Costs: CHF 0.70/sms.

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