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Old 09.07.2011, 12:39
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Its difficult to help in switzerland

2 weeks back I was in my friends place In bahnhof wiedikon- It was around 00:30 and I was feeling really hungry.

Unfortunately, there was nothing left in his place. Perhaps, he was planning to go for shopping the next day. I asked him if he can give me company till staufachher ( MC donalds ). After we had our yummy foods we were just on our way to home. Just right in front of coop a swiss guy came to us asking that if he could walk with us till wiedikon stop. In a broken german I asked- why? everything is fine?

He turned his face towards me and his shirt was full of blood and he was looking so scared. He pointed a guy across the street and I think he said. If someone is chasing him with a knife (messer...man..laufen..something like this) I asked him- If I can call police. He replied "ja bitte" I called police and gave the location. They said- they gonna be there within 2 min.

For the meantime, the guy across the street came really close to us and start speaking in german which I hardly understood. Perhaps, he was drugged, drunk or something else. He had a very strange accent and he had an asian skin. His hand was full of blood several cuts. It took me no time to know that why he attacked the swiss dude. I just hold his left hand (which was blood free) and try to make him silent till police showed up. .

Finally, 3 police car arrived on the spot. They saw adjactly- I was holding the asian dude`s hand, the swiss guy in other corner and my friend at the middle. They asked who called them. I replied me. They said to explain the situation. I requested swiss guy to say what happened (german)

when he explained something regarding weapon( messer what I heard) they asked the other guy if he had knife. He denied. They asked us- if we had a knife.we denied. They made all of us to empty our pockets and to take off the jackets, put our hand on the glass, stretch our legs -/+ 2 feet and they started searching for weapon. after 2-3 min of search they did not found anything.

Then they took our permit and call somewhere ( Don`t have any idea what he was asking). After the phone call they hand back those permit to us. It was so rainy and cold and was already around 1:30 . I was really pissed, why I was involved in this situation. I asked the swiss dude if he said them that I was just helping you and was passing by. He said he already explained still we need to wait what they says. I was feeling like a criminal standing infront of cops giving loads of answers. (never had to deal with this kind of things).

Finally, ambulance came and they both were asked to go inside. One of the police guy asked to the main police guy -what shall we do with them? In a very relaxed way, he said- let them go

Hey common...I was trying to help you, I called you, you make me stand for one hour ... atleast, 1 thanks maybe...zzzzzzzzzzzz.... we just walked away.. thinking crazy place crazy time
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Old 09.07.2011, 12:43
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

The police were just doing their job, they have to take the time to assess the situation as for all they know you were the one doing the attacking and the Swiss dude was too scared to tell them. Once they knew the facts and sorted it our you were let go.

Bravo to you for helping someone in distress that is to be applauded even it did end up with you in an uncomfortable situation with the police.
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The police were just doing their job, they have to take the time to assess the situation as for all they know you were the one doing the attacking and the Swiss dude was too scared to tell them. Once they knew the facts and sorted it our you were let go.

Bravo to you for helping someone in distress that is to be applauded even it did end up with you in an uncomfortable situation with the police.
well, what if he never explained what really had happened?
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

But surely they should have followed it up - just to release them means it will happen again (and again).

I know many will tell you you were crazy to get involved - but I say, bravo and well done. And so sorry the police did not thank you for helping and made you feel uncomfortable. Problem is, the Swiss guy was scared and possibly didn't reveal all the facts- and because you do not speak the language, the police took you for 'just another foreigner' - which is so unfair after all you'd done, taking risks even.
Sam, as another human being I say thank you for caring- but please be careful.
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

All the more reason for the police to have taken the precautions that they did.

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But does it explain why they did not follow up?
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

sorrey to say but the police here is
1. horrible
2. lazy as hell
3. scared as hell from people
4. There to be the middle person between the commune and business owners
5. hope
6. give tickets

Working in the nights as long as I have I would never call the cops, rather someone I would trust and diffuse the situation....I respect the police and would never get in an argument or fight with them but damn what a bunch of idiots. I was thinking about joining them but I would be to embarrassed.

all they do is take a name and go on with their evening going to write out some more damned parking tickets
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

Crazy story, crazy time is fo' sho. Adding to everything else is not only the sheer terror of such a situation but if you also add the terror of having ZERO idea of what is going on, wow. I would have been freaking out and thinking, "Oh, great. This is what I get for going out after midnight in Switzerland. Murder One." Sorry this happened to you though it makes for a great story after you wipe off the cold sweat!
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Old 09.07.2011, 19:32
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

Why did the Swiss guy have a permit?
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Old 09.07.2011, 20:19
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Why did the Swiss guy have a permit?
Probably his "Ausweis", not a permit.
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Old 09.07.2011, 20:25
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

On Monday, I went to help an elderly man who was rolling around on the pavement. He was very drunk, had a gash on his forehead and couldn't walk. To cut a long story short, he ended up pawing all over me and asking if I'd come back to his place.

Sometimes you don't get rewarded for doing a good deed, but that's not really why you do them. I add another "well done" for helping. It's so much easier just to walk away.
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Old 09.07.2011, 21:34
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

When I was studying in Russia back in 1997, one of the first things my host mother told me was, if you see someone on the street who is dead, almost dead, or bleeding, that I shouldn't look, shouldn't help, or show any concern, because most likely it is a mafia victim and that if anyone gets involved the mafia will come after them, too.

Sure enough, I was on the tram one day, and a man got on, wheezing and panting, holding his side, with blood dripping from him. Nobody looked. Nobody offered to help. Everyone kept their eyes forward.

My point for positing is to say that, it's important to set boundaries for how willing we are to get involved when someone has been the victim of violence. Either to avoid being wrongly accused, or becoming a casualty ourselves.

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Old 09.07.2011, 21:40
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When I was studying in Russia back in 1997, one of the first things my host mother told me was, if you see someone on the street who is dead, almost dead, or bleeding, that I shouldn't look, shouldn't help, or show any concern, because most likely it is a mafia victim and that if anyone gets involved the mafia will come after them, too.

Sure enough, I was on the tram one day, and a man got on, wheezing and panting, holding his side, with blood dripping from him. Nobody looked. Nobody offered to help. Everyone kept their eyes forward.

My point for positing is to say that, it's important to set boundaries for how willing we are to get involved when someone has been the victim of violence. Either to avoid being wrongly accused, or becoming a casualty ourselves.

Just my opinion.
Holy crap that must of been awful. If i see someone in trouble i ALWAYS go to help.
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Old 09.07.2011, 21:56
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If i see someone in trouble i ALWAYS go to help.
Me too, but KeinFranzösisch has a point. I grew up being bullied by my brother, and as a result I am rarely afraid of people. One time I was in a pub and some guy was being extremely rude to the bartender. I wasn't willing to let this continue and my boyfriend at the time strongly discouraged me from saying anything. In the end, my pig-headedness took over and I told the guy he was a complete cock. My boyfriend dragged me away and explained the guy had stabbed somebody the week before. It's good to have a balance between sticking up for/protecting someone and being an idiot! (A balance I've not yet managed to strike).

Anyway, I'm not sure if that's really the point of the OP. It seems to me that he/she is complaining about the treatment from the police when trying to do a good deed. I get it for sure. It's not nice to feel like you're being treated like a criminal when all you're doing is trying to help! But I say bravo.
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Re: Its difficult to help in switzerland

Kamarate, your boyfriend was completely correct to get out quickly.
Especially because no bad guy is going to start a fight with a woman in a bar, on the other hand he might have gone after your boyfriend instead.

It's one thing to help somebody (if you can) it's another to look for trouble.

Edit: Sorry.. shouldn't have said that so bluntly, don't mean to offend you. Just noticed that sometimes we don't always realize when we create a situation leading to trouble. Not a good idea to speak or look at an aggressive drunk individual, find it best to walk away.
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Sky - I'm very difficult to offend, so don't worry! You're absolutely right. My example was an example of what you shouldn't do!
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I believe the parable of the Good Samaritan is edited out of the Swiss Police version of The Bible.

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Kamarate, your boyfriend was completely correct to get out quickly.
Especially because no bad guy is going to start a fight with a woman in a bar, on the other hand he might have gone after your boyfriend instead.

It's one thing to help somebody (if you can) it's another to look for trouble.

Edit: Sorry.. shouldn't have said that so bluntly, don't mean to offend you. Just noticed that sometimes we don't always realize when we create a situation leading to trouble. Not a good idea to speak or look at an aggressive drunk individual, find it best to walk away.
no bad guy will go after a women??? ha I can show you easily ten examples where i have been involved where that wasnt the case. I dont fear anyone but I will also mind my own business. If I can help I will, even if it gets me in the crapper.
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they followed them...
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he had his swiss-pass the one with + sign on it
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