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Old 11.07.2011, 12:51
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Nope, don't believe them.

I agree with the notion of cartels and extreme market control, what is weird, though, how people actually are made to believe that they do not want better. It's like telling somebody his big bucks have zero effect on the market. People pay a lot and are made to believe they don't care for quality products, good choice and corresponding customer service. I don't think it will last too long, to be honest.
With my comment about the anecdotes about people "liking" fewer choices, I mean to associate that with rigged markets--though I agree that such stories are the exception and usually presented in the context of particular agendas (so likely spurious or exceptional).
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Old 11.07.2011, 13:15
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With my comment about the anecdotes about people "liking" fewer choices, I mean to associate that with rigged markets--though I agree that such stories are the exception and usually presented in the context of particular agendas (so likely spurious or exceptional).
The funky thing is, it was the oposite after the revolution. The stories might be told in order to affect people, morally, look at those old poor babickas who are being ripped off and can't make their heads over 25 different types of breads. Poor babichkas my butt. They know fast what to get, and appreciate the fact they can choose from inexpensive to expensive, based on their wallets and other preferences. People were freaked out by lack of social securities but the good things (basically free health care and schooling, 4yr maternity paid leave, being paid for having kids) are still there. By the way, we have had the biggest amount of malls per capita in Europe and volume of goods sold in Europe, before the crisis hit, two years ago. So, monstrous consumerism, because we had none, for about 600 years, hahaha. It's not a good thing, they should learn looking over here, in fact. Glutony is not good for anyone.

While here, I still call certain similar institutions here by my old communist names, it's hilarious. Same function. The capitalism here is hard to figure out. Since it is not really the final customer, who is profitting, unless you are quite assertive. But again, things are fast on heading the right way. Migroop are losing to over the border retailers in bordering regions, same goes with services, at times, vets, dentists, summer camps, sitting, etc. Manor just came up with Bonne Choix, a cheapo store brand, it's great, a tad cheaper. It will be the franc that will push biz owners to step up. No matter how hard they campaign and patriotic pressure they put on folks.
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:07
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On that note: http://www.good.is/post/ikea-using-u...ssly-american/

If I have to pay more for products so that workers are paid a living wage or so that we live in a better society, I will, happily. But if the corporate fat cats are using abusive practices to dupe consumers into paying more, using very positive things like civic pride against their customers, it's not acceptable.
Oh, I remember when that story broke and it didn't surprise me in the least. These days, a gig at Ikea is a paying job in the US....

My xenophobe MiL who is a pillar of nationalism, refusing to buy spanish strawberries or shop at Lidl due to labor problems (something about no pee breaks? or something..), when I asked after she so proudly scoffed at the Lidls here, so, still shopping at Ikea? SILENCE. Uh, yeah, so much for idealism as long as it isn't screwing YOUR country, 'em. And this, truly, is the EU in a nutshell and why I worry like crazy now that the Italian economy is on its way down to hell along with the rest as every single country that isn't the defaulting country du jour, is going to say screw 'em.

If things really go tits up with the world economy, it's going to get downright darwinian.
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If things really go tits up with the world economy, it's going to get downright darwinian.
You mean size of the....wallet? Gold teeth and all.

Ethical explanations or not, patriotism or not, large wallet is very darwinian and I think people know it.

Which reminds me, time to go to Lidl and Carrefour.
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You mean size of the....wallet? Gold teeth and all.

Ethical explanations or not, patriotism or not, large wallet is very darwinian and I think people know it.

Which reminds me, time to go to Lidl and Carrefour.
Well, what I meant is that if things are as bad, or even half as bad, as the journals make the economic situation of both the EU and the US seem right now, folks are going to be looking out for themselves, not national pride or labor abuses in far off lands when things go barf.

So is there a list/map of all the good places to shop across the border? I should try a few new ones out as I've only been to two places in France.
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Old 11.07.2011, 15:06
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Oh, I remember when that story broke and it didn't surprise me in the least. These days, a gig at Ikea is a paying job in the US....

My xenophobe MiL who is a pillar of nationalism, refusing to buy spanish strawberries or shop at Lidl due to labor problems (something about no pee breaks? or something..), when I asked after she so proudly scoffed at the Lidls here, so, still shopping at Ikea? SILENCE. Uh, yeah, so much for idealism as long as it isn't screwing YOUR country, 'em. And this, truly, is the EU in a nutshell and why I worry like crazy now that the Italian economy is on its way down to hell along with the rest as every single country that isn't the defaulting country du jour, is going to say screw 'em.

If things really go tits up with the world economy, it's going to get downright darwinian.
Reminds me a similar story in Milan, Italy.
I was at the market looking for buying a nice melon.
The melons from maroc where 1 euros for 3 melons.
The sicilian melon was 2 euros for 1 melon!

I went all "fair trade", local economy, blablabla. I though well it's still much cheaper than Switzerland, let's make a good action for the local producers.

Got it, flew away. At destination, I look carefully the melon:
A nice sticker "from Maroc"


Anyway there's no real mean to prove the origin of stuff. It's not because there's a poor sticker or a cheap wooden tray with "origin sticker" that they have not replaced the items by something else!.
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Old 11.07.2011, 15:12
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and over 1700grams of sodium
Even if it was made out of pure sodium it wouldn't have 1700g of sodium in it!

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The amount of food waste which derives from 2 for 1 and similar offers is staggering, according to recent research in UK. People just can't resist 2 for 1 - despite the fact they are very likely not to eat it all in time (and with very few people cooking and freezing for later). I must say I've never been a fan of 2 chickens for a fiver at Tesco. Mushy, no taste and god knows about husbandry!

I do shop in France a lot as it is just as close as shops in CH. But instead fo going to huge Leclerc, Carrefour, HyperU and such like, I go to a smaller outfit where I know exactly where anything is. It takes me half the time, and I don't waste time looking for things or money buying things that are not on my list and I don't need. Great.

But yes, like many of you, I just love to be in the UK and shop to my heart's content- twice a year is enough though And at least I can find clothes that fit me there- I don't know if it is a or a
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Even if it was made out of pure sodium it wouldn't have 1700g of sodium in it!

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You would take a bit of additional salt in your burger?

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Hey, trendwatcher, IKEA is doing pretty well in the U.S. market.

The "limited choice" in the Swiss market is the result of cartels and protectionism. (Aren't there always anecdotes from people in post-Communist countries that they preferred the days when life was simple and they only had one kind of bread to choose from?) Maybe you don't like free markets and that is your prerogative.

However, I wouldn't mind more transparency in the market. It does not seem coincidental that when you go to Big Box Retailer A they do not carry the same brands and models as Big Box Retailer B. They have decided to split the market and laugh all the way to the bank. It is telling that Swiss products can cost 50 percent less in neighboring countries. There is also not a lot of transparency on product websites that also makes it difficult to comparison shop. Good for retailers, bad for customers.
Oh..Thanks for the compliment...LOL I was responding to poptart's message which mentioned that "IKEA had not caught on in the USA"...And actually it's not such a big hit like in Europe. But thats neither here nor there. Switzerland runs their country the way they need to that's why they have 3 cities in the top ten best cities in the world to live. Although I can understand about shopping for cheaper prices, I don't bother unless I'm traveling anyways. After all the time it takes to get things together to go across the border etc...the savings aren't worth it to me. Plus I'm not a meat eater so my grocery expenses are minimal. I'm a keen shopper too for clothing,I buy designer wear at great prices and furniture, I find great bargains in Switzerland.
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Old 11.07.2011, 16:27
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...but we must be greatful because we have such clean streets...

I keep hearing about these clean streets but I'm not seeing them. Do I have to go to Graubunden to see them?

The streets by my temp apartment were always littered with soda cans, beer bottles, paper, plastic bags, food wrappers, people's car trash randomly spilled out on to the sidewalk and left there for days. I even saw an entire McDonald's value meal sitting on the sidewalk for well over a week.

My new apartment is in Gundeli. The streets aren't much better, particularly on a Sunday morning.

And what's the deal with people collectively deciding they're just going to pile their Robidog/Bravodog bags in some random spot on the sidewalk? Can't they find a trash can?
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Well, what I meant is that if things are as bad, or even half as bad, as the journals make the economic situation of both the EU and the US seem right now, folks are going to be looking out for themselves, not national pride or labor abuses in far off lands when things go barf.

So is there a list/map of all the good places to shop across the border? I should try a few new ones out as I've only been to two places in France.
I'm watching the US very closely right now. If it continues in the direction that I think it is, I may have to put my gripes aside and learn to make myself comfortable here in der Schweiz.
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Re: Shopping over the border....

Hi, we have been living here now for 3 yrs and yes have now and again gone to Germany for some shopping but lately have just had enough of these ludicrous prices here in Switzerland especially meat and cleaning products.

So tonight we went to Bad Sackingen for us just over 30mins away and to Kaufland we did our shopping;

Our bill 130 Euros

we bought veg, pork fillets, chicken fillets, spare ribs, etc....... hair products, dishwashing tabs, Ariel (2ltr) bottle, I could go on basically a large shop!!

I was shocked at the bill, but pleasantly shocked, came home and did a comparis on leshop.ch (migros online)!!

This would have cost us 385 frs for the amount we bought, we made a saving of 230 frs!!!!

Shopping over the border..... is it worth it??? WELL YEAH!!!!!
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If your paying 36% in ZH you are earning a huge amount of money. French tax rates are 41% above 70850 euro. Bear in mind social costs will be highter.

As your a high earner capital gains tax may be an issue.

I live in ZH & my taxes have always been in the 8 - 14% of gross range, way cheaper in CH.
France does have higher tax for the social system but it's been of great benefit - especially for families. They almost throw $$ at you for all sorts of things if you can get through the disorganized bureaucracy. My husband is a frontalier in Basel and our private health insurance in France is costing us only 200 euros a month for 150% coverage - and that's with my being pregnant. Cost of living can be definitely lower depending on priorities.

It can get boring here, however, so we find ourselves in Basel paying the high price for social events - which isn't necessary so we don't mind. But for everyday necessities, I say use the franc to your advantage and come on over and shop away!!
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Even not having a car, I find it very worthwile to shop in both Saint Louis (Géant Casino and Leclerc, use the 604 bus from Schifflande), Lorrach and Freiburg. The advantage to Germany is getting the tax back easily - again, without a car, use the yellow German customs booth at the Badischer Bahnhof (open until 22:00 I believe) when you come back on the trains. You can also buy a Lorrach regional Punktkarte for 11.5 Euros at the Reisezentrum and from the DeutscheBahn machines, both in the Badischer Bahnhof. This knocks down the price of the trips to and from Lorrach quite a bit (10 to 12 min train ride, twice an hour).
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As has been mentioned (I shop in Marktkauf regularly, and also Geant in St Louis, France) the price differential in meat and also dairy is even more extreme. And yes, I'm comparing non-Swiss products.

And in Germany, you can reclaim the tax (19% on non-food items, around 8% it seems on food items) too.

As a single person I don't buy that much food, and can afford to buy here in Coop or Migros, but two days ago I stocked up on milk in Marktkauf (I have a coffee machine which can make lattes, and I drink loads during weekends) at 54c a litre (less with tax back) compared to 1.40CHF here. These little differences add up quite quickly.

An advantage of living in Basel; an odd situation caused by bordering countries having a different currency, different taxes and different salary levels.
Hi,
I can't find anymore on the forum or on google.

Can we get the tax back for food bought in Carrefour, France?

I think in theory it's for all purchase, but I try to find the accurate information.

The shop staff did not know anything, of course...

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The French don't bother with tax refunds unless you spend hundreds of Euros. My bill is usually 20 or 30 so it's way under their threshold You could ask at customer services.
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The French don't bother with tax refunds unless you spend hundreds of Euros. My bill is usually 20 or 30 so it's way under their threshold You could ask at customer services.
Yeah I asked for 180euros, the lady "never heard of that".
No language issue because I speak french...

They don't care usually in those kind of jobs. And I care to have the correct infos so I can convince them

But I can not find it yet. Too much flooding of information when I search.
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No doubt the same as any country - buy at the airport ("duty free") for a non-VAT price, otherwise you're relying on the individual shops.

They can either do proper refunds (where you return to the store for the full VAT back with a stamped form) or half-hearted ones (where you use "Global Blue" who scam you on fees and exchange rates so you get around half the VAT back).

I believe that if the shop doesn't want to do it, then nothing can force them. There are no rules/laws around this.
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No doubt the same as any country - buy at the airport ("duty free") for a non-VAT price, otherwise you're relying on the individual shops.

They can either do proper refunds (where you return to the store for the full VAT back with a stamped form) or half-hearted ones (where you use "Global Blue" who scam you on fees and exchange rates so you get around half the VAT back).

I believe that if the shop doesn't want to do it, then nothing can force them. There are no rules/laws around this.
Very right!
Especially about "globalBlue" thieve.

Surely any forum member has tried the "tax refund" thing for shopping in Carrefour, no?
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