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Old 10.07.2011, 22:03
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

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My reply was not clear, I mean in absolute terms:

In ZH tax is about 12% for a single person, for a married person with one child about 7%. That's not much of a reduction at all in my opinion, when expressed in kCHF.
It is when you have a better salary and pay higher tax rates.

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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

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But the report doesn't compare the % of Swiss income to % of foreign income. It compares % of Swiss disposable income to % of foreign disposable income.

So, if non-Swiss have more disposable income, and more deductions than Swiss, then...
I am sorry but I don't understand your argument, the report is using "gross income" in different countries, and you are talking about disposable income which is the income after taxes.
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

It's an interesting study, but its usefulness is a bit limited given it uses data from before/at the start of the financial crisis - and the comparability is highly dependent on the exchange rates used.
I am sure in a similar study for 2011 Switzerland will now be doing much better and the UK, for example, much worse simply because of exchange rates movements to the Euro since 2007.
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Actually, as the comparison is made at the purchasing-power parity (PPP) it makes sense, except for the countries heavily struck by the crisis. Rents and food are much lower in Germany than here, same about health care insurance - for a family with enginner's 100-120k salary in any metro area in Switzerland this means just survival, while in Germany 55k might get you much further.
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

I'm not a person who does calculations, but what I can say is that all my german friends here are happier with their gross salary here in Switzerland than when they are in Germany, despite the lower costs in Germany. I think the idea of high taxes 50% in Germany simply puts people off, especially when the money goes just like this to Greece...
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

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I'm not a person who does calculations, but what I can say is that all my german friends here are happier with their gross salary here in Switzerland than when they are in Germany, despite the lower costs in Germany. I think the idea of high taxes 50% in Germany simply puts people off, especially when the money goes just like this to Greece...
I have 3 German colleagues and 2 of them live in Germany on a G permit.
All 3 of them say they are better off in Switzerland whether married or not kids or not.

(The 2 only live in Germany because their wives are German and don't like Switzerland )
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

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It's wage levels, Phil Collins etc on a tax deal can't work here so he is not included. In any case the tax they pay is based on 5 times their rent, nothing to do with income.

The data is based on 2006, the CHF is far stronger V the Euro and nearly double to the £ ! so it has verzy little relevance today-
Hey Phil, what's your take on all this?

Are you hiding out there somewhere on the English Forum under a pseu- pseu- pseudonym?
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

What I find a bit confusing is the fact that the table is about average wages except in Switzerland, where, according to footnote 3), it is the median. If my fading memory serves me well, there are several ways to calculate an average but only one to calculate a mean.

The fact that the footnotes clearly mentions the Swiss and only the Swiss figures as being a median sounds like a different calculation method was used for Switzerland. Otherwise there wouldn't be the need for footnote 3). Or am I missing something?

Any suggestions out there as to how to interpret this?
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

Because of the distribution of the salaries, i.e. that there is a de facto a minimum salary, that most of the salaries are in similar range and then that some salaries are really high compared to the rest, the calculated average salary is higher than the calculated median salary.

Some real numbers:
http://www.comedia.ch/de/aktuell/dos...leichheit.html

According to the article above, in Switzerland in 2008 men earned average salary 7516,- and and median 6179,- .
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Because of the distribution of the salaries, i.e. that there is a de facto a minimum salary, that most of the salaries are in similar range and then that some salaries are really high compared to the rest, the calculated average salary is higher than the calculated median salary.

Some real numbers:
http://www.comedia.ch/de/aktuell/dos...leichheit.html

According to the article above, in Switzerland in 2008 men earned average salary 7516,- and and median 6179,- .
That's exactly what I mean, although this thread is not about differences in salaries for men and women. In an income distribution, the average is expected to be higher than the median, but there is no reason for listing the median for Switzerland but the average for all the other countries, unless someone wants to intentionally distort the picture. So I still wonder, what is the purpose of the exercise?
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That's exactly what I mean, although this thread is not about differences in salaries for men and women. In an income distribution, the average is expected to be higher than the median, but there is no reason for listing the median for Switzerland but the average for all the other countries, unless someone wants to intentionally distort the picture. So I still wonder, what is the purpose of the exercise?
To keep foreigners out of CH....just an evil thought
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Re: Switzerland: low disposable income?

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To keep foreigners out of CH....just an evil thought
haha, you bet!

I just think its totally out of date, I lived in Brussels and no way could the purchasing power be higher than here...food and going out etc is very expensive in BXL too, whilst salaries a generally a lot lower, plus the tax is higher.

As for the UK, jesus, half the country is going hungry at the moment!
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