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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

Though it didn't happen to me, I saw a similar thing happen to a neighbor who just moved in (also foreign). He left about 4 non-flattened boxes outside (microwave, vaccum etc). The next morning these boxes were stacked up in front of his door all the way up to the top, I can only imagine his shock when going out to work and hitting a wall of boxes

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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

Re - cardboard etc.
Please read the sticky which is linked to the earlier post. It will give you an idea of where you can find the info you need.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

These guys are square to the point of stupidity. If they spent as much time educating as they do enforcing, they would have half as much work to do. Also, the snitching culture in Switzerland seems designed to make newcomers feel like they are trapped in a dystopian novel (i.e. 1984).

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In your cases, these have at least been, presumably, the silent ones peeping out and keeping a "watch". Our case was even more interesting. In our first or the second month in the Swiss German part, we had used a wrong trash bag to throw our garbage. This was obviously unintentional and a mistake. I remember stepping out with that trash bag at around 2100hrs in the month of December. As I dumped it in the garbage trolley I remember thinking to mayself that the bag didn't seem right. However, I had too many things on my mind at that time. I forgot about it and got on with whatever I was doing.

In two months' time, we received a letter (A4 size) from the Gemeinde, quoting various statutes, admonishing us for our mistake and warning us that repetition of such thing again would result in a fine of some CHF600 (don't remember the exact figure).

Our Swiss friends advised us to go to the dumping yard pronto and explain the "mistake", which we did. We were "let off" with a stern warning.

Our Swiss friends explained that, like so may other types Police in Switzerland, there are "Garbage Police" whose job it is to catch delinquents like us. What impressed me was the dedication of the person doing this, going through our garbage, looking for clues and then eventually nailing it on us.

As far I am concerned, its a lesson well learnt. Even after ten years and now in the Swiss French part, I am still nervous every time I take the garbage out.
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...and if the bag gets wet it disintegrates and if the bag tips, the contents fall out. I don't know about your area, but here the youngsters from the clubs in the town collect the paper to get extra money. They often throw the bundles onto the trucks and sometimes they are thrown again to put them into the railway waggons. You can imagine how many carrier bags might fall apart or loose their contents in the process. Here, newspapers not tied usually get left and, by the next morning, are spread around by the wind or, I guess, the folk coming home from their evening out... See the sticky on the subject here.
And all this time I've been blaming foxes for stuff being scattered everywhere.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

Blah blah blah. It's not that difficult. Clean up the mess. Speak to the building management to find out if you did anything wrong and if you did, correct it next time. However, don't inconvenience your neighbours. Is there really anything else to say?
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

It's more likely the paper collectors that dumped the shopping bags with the recycling paper. The Zurich city website expressly instructs people NOT to use paper bags because it interferes with the recycling process:

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"Paper bags are not collection boxes for paper: They are specially treated and interfere with the recycling process. Therefore will not be taken away by the collection teams."

From here.

I don't think it's them being petty; it simply doesn't recycle properly.
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These guys are square to the point of stupidity. If they spent as much time educating as they do enforcing, they would have half as much work to do. Also, the snitching culture in Switzerland seems designed to make newcomers feel like they are trapped in a dystopian novel (i.e. 1984).
I just snorted my wine *giggle* Actually, CH reminds me of being trapped in the movie Brazil, only with fewer pneumatic tubes and better scenery.
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Old 11.07.2011, 21:40
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

There goes the neighbourhood...
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Nope. If you lived in the middle of a field okay. If your neighbors also have to step over your shit because one of them can't be arsed to to actually speak to you like a human being- not okay. It's your attitude I find wrong.
Fixed that for you.

Besides, I take it that your attitude is that it is OK to litter with someone else rubbish? If you didn't create the original rubbish then you are free to strew it about the landscape if the original disposers didn't do it correctly?

Just one other point... where did the bags go to?

BTW, to the OP, even though the official way is to use string, I never had any trouble when I used paper bags to dispose of recyclable papers. (Maybe I was lucky, but is seems stupid to use string when it is more intelligent to encase what is being recycled in like material. )
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I got this treatment when I was first in CH in 1994.
I left those apartments shortly after but would always go back & dump my paper into the container making sure nothing to identify myself. I carried on for a couple of years knowing somebody who had nothing better to do than look for a name!
Dude, seriously, as satisfying as it may have been for you to do this, what a massive waste of time, effort and energy on your part too...
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These guys are square to the point of stupidity. If they spent as much time educating as they do enforcing, they would have half as much work to do. Also, the snitching culture in Switzerland seems designed to make newcomers feel like they are trapped in a dystopian novel (i.e. 1984).
To turn that on its head: If newcomers spent as much time learning about the processes as they do moaning about them...
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Dude, seriously, as satisfying as it may have been for you to do this, what a massive waste of time, effort and energy on your part too...
And upending bags of paper on someone's doorstep when the bags could just be left behind isn't?

Still, with the price of fuel being what it is, you are probably right.
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Old 11.07.2011, 21:49
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

In Basel it's common to see paper bags full of paper left out on the paper recycling days. Even cardboard boxes full of paper are sometimes left out.

All are taken away and have been, without fail, for over a year. If I was to suddenly find the contents of one of my paper bags (I use the Marktkauf ones) dumped inside our block of flats I would assume that it wasn't an official doing it, but some neighbour who decided on his/her own that using bags wasn't correct. And I'd retaliate (if I could find out who it was!) because I'm childish.
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Blah blah blah. It's not that difficult. Clean up the mess. Speak to the building management to find out if you did anything wrong and if you did, correct it next time. However, don't inconvenience your neighbours. Is there really anything else to say?
I think any rational person, especially a newcomer, can understand that, yes, there are different methods of recycling, etc., but is it really appropriate to just dump it out on the sidewalk like garbage to maximize both its spread and the humiliation/shaming of said unwitting violator? That's what I don't get. Following rules and protocols, sure, I'm all for that, it's the nasty little vindictive methods of enforcing that which I do not understand.

I made the same mistake with garbage thinking that the bags in the COOP marked for garbage would do (as they looked the same as we had in the temp housing we had) and the garbage guys dumped them out on the sidewalk with a note that we had to buy bags from the town for our garbage. I quietly snuck them back into the dumpster and went to find the right garbage sacks...which took some doing since they aren't on the shelves, you have to ask the freakin' checkout clerk for the right bags and at 3chf per tiny bag, it was a bit of an experience.

Why don't folks bust the old pensioners who fill the rubbish bins next to the glass recycling drop offs? I had to wait like 5 mins the other day while some old man emptied the contents of a paper bag into the bin which was pretty clearly household waste and, as soon as I did a little *ahem*, he cleared off in a jiff.

I guess I don't get why garbage is such a big freakin' deal here. I'd happily pay more taxes if it meant I didn't have to deal with all the BS that surrounds something so unworthy of my brain cycles.
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In Basel it's common to see paper bags full of paper left out on the paper recycling days. Even cardboard boxes full of paper are sometimes left out.

All are taken away and have been, without fail, for over a year. If I was to suddenly find the contents of one of my paper bags (I use the Marktkauf ones) dumped inside our block of flats I would assume that it wasn't an official doing it, but some neighbour who decided on his/her own that using bags wasn't correct. And I'd retaliate (if I could find out who it was!) because I'm childish.
The paper from our immediate area is collected from a point opposite our house. You can guarantee that if there are paper bags bundled with paper in amongst the bundles tied up with string, the bags will be left behind by the collection teams. Not dumped, not scattered, just left there. That's what prompted me to check out the website of the city of Zurich to find out why.
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And upending bags of paper on someone's doorstep when the bags could just be left behind isn't?

Still, with the price of fuel being what it is, you are probably right.
It absolutely isn't okay but two wrongs don't make a right, right?!
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1. Did you read the post to which this comment referred? It was talking about the other posters who were clearly being observed and told on my their neighbors for non-criminal recycling mistakes. It creates a climate of fear and suspicion.

2. And, do you know how much "rule" material there is to cover as a newcomer? Clearly someone who is putting recycling paper inside of a paper bag is not trying to screw with your system. You can just tell them, hey, dude next time no bag, ok? You don't have to go all secret police on their ass.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

I once chucked some old bread out from our third floor apartment for the birds....into the middle of the grass area in between five similar apartment blocks, probably around 11pm, no lights on around, no obvious terrace smokers! Force of habit from home and having my own garden. (Don't reply on the rights and wrongs - its not the point of the message )

Left for work the next day and found said bread on top of my mailbox.

On balance, I think I respected the dedication of the neighbour more than I was shocked at the analness or embarrassed at having been caught.
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Nope. If you lived in the middle of a field okay. If your neighbors also have to step over your shit because you can't be arsed to clean it up - not okay. It's your attitude I find wrong.
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A. Then people wouldn't have this thread to get all pious about.

B. Have you actually tried to figure out all of the seemingly random and arcane crap you have to do in CH in the past decade? When did you move here? A while ago? Cause I can tell you that in many cases it is much harder to figure out where and how, not to mention why, than it is to actually follow the rules once you figure them out. Usually on your own, with no help from the so called self-appointed guardians of the supposedly appropriate etiquette.

C. Why is it so hard for people in this country to just be nice when someone makes their first mistake. I mean, they are spying on you anyway, so it shouldn't be hard to leave a polite note saying that you have made an error, please don't do it again, or you will be reported. It's not like these sort of people have anything else to do or else they wouldn't be doing what they are anyway.

And you are seriously wondering why people moan about stuff? Seems to me, with the way that Swiss society is set up and behaves, that it is reciprocal and mutual.

NB. I lived in the French speaking part so MMMV. I seldomly had people doing crap like that to me and generally liked dealing with the recycling and trash, when the communal collection points weren't stuffed to overflowing and the vermin didn't scatter the stuff to the four winds.
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