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Shredded paper is NOT cardbox NOR is it old paper. If you put shredded paper into your cardbox thing, you risk that everything is refused
Do you mean ' refused', as in will not be taken or 'refused' as in put in with the refuse?
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Do you mean ' refused', as in will not be taken or 'refused' as in put in with the refuse?
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refused in the way of not being taken. The stuff will simply be where it was before. Ignored and left
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FGS - it is NOT that complicated really. Each area, just as in the UK, as its own system- so make enquiries to find out what's what in your area- and just get used to it. Totally refute that Romands areas are less keen to re-cycle. Impossible to write a 'rec-cycling in Switzerland thread' for that reason.

In my area in the UK the rubbish was collected every TWO weeks only (green bins for garden, veg refuse every other week). If you are lucky enough to have collections (we do not, as explained earlier) how many have their bins collected once every 2 weeks?

The reason communes/Gemeinde are strict about strict selection of papers, cardboard, etc, and plastics they collect- is that these are taken in huge to commercial recyclers- if the mix is wrong, it will cost too much to sort out, or whole batch of recycled material will be ruined. This costs huge amounts of time and money- to the commercial recyclers, who refuse to pay communes/Gemeinde- or even charge them.
And WHO do you think will end up paying the bill?


As a Swiss there are some aspects of Swissiness I can gringe about or even feel totally distraught. But I refuse to be ashamed or embarrassed that Switzerland has one of the best recycling rates in the world. Absolutely NO, NON, NEIN, NUT, NIENTE. The world is crawling and dying under our cr*p, and trying to do as much as poss about it makes sense. I don't know how anybody could deny this.

Now, if there are particular problems, about the particularities of your particular area, go to your Commune/Gemeine and discuss with them the difficulties you are having and ways forward. Merky bucket. Much more effective than moaning about it here and blaming all Swiss for being 'anal about recycling'. Struuuuuuuuuuuf.

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Shredded paper is NOT cardbox NOR is it old paper. If you put shredded paper into your cardbox thing, you risk that everything is refused
It's true. I made the mistake of mixing my paper and my cardboard the first time. Never again. Now I separate them.
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. Much for effective thank moaning about it here and blaming all Swiss for being 'anal about recycling'. Struuuuuuuuuuuf.
Well, there are ways and ways ... isn't the major gripe here about the handling of errant newbies, (errant usually through ignorance), by the indigenous population?
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So...this reminds me. Does 'paper' recycling in CH mean ONLY newsPAPER? Back in the US, paper included just about everything but cardboard, so I have reflexively filled my recycling bin with flattened cereal boxes, junk mail, random papers from the post and ephemera like tp and paper towel rolls. After noticing for the past few months that it only appears to be obsessively squared and tied stacks of newspaper, does what I have in my bin go to the garbage or is there a place for it to be recycled? Probably a dumb question, but I'm on my second glass of wine after a long afternoon so, humour me.
In Zug, everything that is thicker than normal paper is classified as cardboard and has to be recycled in ökihof or through ökibus. So junk mail (don't forget to remove the address window if it has a clear film), papers from the post, paper towels are ok to go into a normal paper collection stack, flattened cerial boxes - not. For them and similar it is a schlep to an ökihof.
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Well, there are ways and ways ... isn't the major gripe here about the handling of errant newbies, (errant usually through ignorance), by the indigenous population?
Yes, yes I know. Perhaps though this is because a large influx recently of people who do not understand the recycling system with repeated incidents causing a bit of tension, loss of patience. As a neighbour I'd go and ask the newbies for a drink and casually explain how it's done and offer help and support. That is perhaps because I've travelled a lot, lived abroad in several countries and would be able to communicate with them- but some locals are very insular for all sorts of reasons. If you go to London or Leicester, people are used to foreigners and won't bat an eyelid or stare. But this might be very different in say Cornwall or Yorkshire, where a foreigners is still some other Brit who's only lived there for 30 years.
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hmm. here there seem to be containers. but i thought they were for an apartment block across the road so didn't want to put mine in there. (probably end up outside my front door again ) might have to buy my own wheely bin to be on the safe side...
If they are he big ones built into the ground and sent fenced in or otherwise sing posted privat then they are the common collection points and you are supposed to use them. Unless you still have trash pickup at your apartment.

They started to built them in canton Vaud three or more years ago. At first I didn't like them but now I see the advantage. Keeps the stink in a common point. I do feel for those who live next to or have their balcolnies or parions next to these places though.
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Got friends who live next to the local ones just up the road, and they say no smell or disturbance at all. They have huge hermetical lids- so no problems.
Ours can only be opened with a credit style card (1 per household)- which register the weight and the time- so anybody inconsiderate who would use it at night would be easy to spot if complaints were made. Pay by weight will be introduced in 2012. Not worried as we use 2 bins a months at about 3kg each - with a bit of luck they will have to pay us for having so little refuse. 3 of our neighbours have started to use our multiple compost bins already to cut down their waste.

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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

In the first month we tied the papers and cartoons nicely and put them outside of building, while seeing all the others just put their stuff in the supermarket bags. So in the following months, we did the same and there was nothing happened.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

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Yes, yes I know. Perhaps though this is because a large influx recently of people who do not understand the recycling system with repeated incidents causing a bit of tension, loss of patience. As a neighbour I'd go and ask the newbies for a drink and casually explain how it's done and offer help and support. That is perhaps because I've travelled a lot, lived abroad in several countries and would be able to communicate with them- but some locals are very insular for all sorts of reasons. If you go to London or Leicester, people are used to foreigners and won't bat an eyelid or stare. But this might be very different in say Cornwall or Yorkshire, where a foreigners is still some other Brit who's only lived there for 30 years.
Good for you Odile - what a nice idea! I would agree that your outlook is probably different due to your have travelled. Coming from Cornwall, however, I would have to disagree with your statement about 30 years ... it is certainly much closer to 29 and a half!!!
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Our school does the paper recycling for the Gemeinde and they get paid around 800chf per quarter. All paper bundles are tied with string except one donor who ties theirs with ladies tights
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In the first month we tied the papers and cartoons nicely and put them outside of building, while seeing all the others just put their stuff in the supermarket bags. So in the following months, we did the same and there was nothing happened.
OK, deep breath, count to 10, ready

In some areas the papers are collected regularly, weekly perhaps, by the Council. In this case, although not ideal (because of different quality of paper and the handles being re-inforced, but as long as it does not rain, acceptable. It is a pity to waste those bags (cost 30c) for this purpose, as they are meant to be used again and again and cut down waste. But fine.

In some areas (as it was here when I was a kid)- papers are collected twice yearly (approx) by the local Scouts or school kids- to sell on and put money in the coffers. In this case, putting papers out in paper bags is not only unpractical for large quantities- but would render the collection absolutely unworkable, as described in a previous post. The kids have to rush from house to house and carry the papers to a cart or van- pass them on to others who will stack them neatly. At the other end, these have to be taken out again to place in a lorry or train carriage to take to the recycling plant. If the bundles are tied (normally with string) - this can again be done fairly quickly, and bundles thrown from kid to kid as in a firemen chain, stacked again neatly - and ready for off at the other end. It is back breaking work and we as teenagers would get back home absolutely and totally cream-crackered- having collected from the whole village or part of town in one day, for free- but a/ to collect money for our Scout group b/ because we believed it was worthwhile and

c/ to get a day off school

This is no longer done here, perhaps for insurance or other reasons. If this is still the way paper is collected in your area, please tie your bundles - not to please the local administration or the 'anal Swiss' - but because it is the only way it can work effectively. Thank you, Danke Schon, Merci, Grazie (Romansch Faltrad?).


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It's a silly system. You can't even really recycle everything that is recyclable.
What can't you recycle? AFAIK, you can recycle (and properly dispose of) most anything but you have to bring it in to the center. They don't pick everything up.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

Thanks for the explanation. I see how hard things have been done here in Switzerland.

I have a question concerning the strings to tie bundles. The strings that I was told to buy for paper recycling are made of Nylon which is plastic. What are they going to do with the different materials? (plastic among paper). Wouldn't that be even more of a waste (to have plastic strings) comparing to using paper bags (at least the same material)? Or maybe I was just told wrongly....



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In some areas the papers are collected regularly, weekly perhaps, by the Council. In this case, although not ideal (because of different quality of paper and the handles being re-inforced, but as long as it does not rain, acceptable. It is a pity to waste those bags (cost 30c) for this purpose, as they are meant to be used again and again and cut down waste. But fine.

In some areas (as it was here when I was a kid)- papers are collected twice yearly (approx) by the local Scouts or school kids- to sell on and put money in the coffers. In this case, putting papers out in paper bags is not only unpractical for large quantities- but would render the collection absolutely unworkable, as described in a previous post. The kids have to rush from house to house and carry the papers to a cart or van- pass them on to others who will stack them neatly. At the other end, these have to be taken out again to place in a lorry or train carriage to take to the recycling plant. If the bundles are tied (normally with string) - this can again be done fairly quickly, and bundles thrown from kid to kid as in a firemen chain, stacked again neatly - and ready for off at the other end. It is back breaking work and we as teenagers would get back home absolutely and totally cream-crackered- having collected from the whole village or part of town in one day, for free- but a/ to collect money for our Scout group b/ because we believed it was worthwhile and

c/ to get a day off school

This is no longer done here, perhaps for insurance or other reasons. If this is still the way paper is collected in your area, please tie your bundles - not to please the local administration or the 'anal Swiss' - but because it is the only way it can work effectively. Thank you, Danke Schon, Merci, Grazie (Romansch Faltrad?).


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Thanks for the explanation. I see how hard things have been done here in Switzerland.

I have a question concerning the strings to tie bundles. The strings that I was told to buy for paper recycling are made of Nylon which is plastic. What are they going to do with the different materials? (plastic among paper). Wouldn't that be even more of a waste (to have plastic strings) comparing to using paper bags (at least the same material)? Or maybe I was just told wrongly....
Strings are just for transport. They don't go into the same process as the paper.
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Re: A Swiss thing or just odd behaviour?

a similar thing happened to me in australia when i was at university.. so it is not just switzerland!!

we were moving house and we had more rubbish than would fit in our bins, so we waited until bin night and walked up the street putting our rubbish in everyone else's bins that were out for collection. given that you pay a flat rate for rubbish collection in australia this is not really an inconvenience for anyone.

this was all going fine until an angry old lady up the street noticed us putting rubbish in her bin, yelled at us and threatened to call the police. we told her she should stop being such a grouch and that she could ahead and call the cops.

a few hours later the police hadn't shown up but angry old lady turned up outside our house with her bin and proceeded to empty it all over our lawn and the footpath in an act of revenge. we figured we should probably let the cops know about this so phoned them up and they turned up a short time later.

they ended up agreeing that what we did wasn't very courteous, but took a much dimmer view of what she did. they told us to clean up the mess she made but they fined her $100 for littering.

we took this as a victory and had a good laugh at her expense!
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a similar thing happened to me in australia when i was at university.. so it is not just switzerland!!

we were moving house and we had more rubbish than would fit in our bins, so we waited until bin night and walked up the street putting our rubbish in everyone else's bins that were out for collection. given that you pay a flat rate for rubbish collection in australia this is not really an inconvenience for anyone.

this was all going fine until an angry old lady up the street noticed us putting rubbish in her bin, yelled at us and threatened to call the police. we told her she should stop being such a grouch and that she could ahead and call the cops.

a few hours later the police hadn't shown up but angry old lady turned up outside our house with her bin and proceeded to empty it all over our lawn and the footpath in an act of revenge. we figured we should probably let the cops know about this so phoned them up and they turned up a short time later.

they ended up agreeing that what we did wasn't very courteous, but took a much dimmer view of what she did. they told us to clean up the mess she made but they fined her $100 for littering.

we took this as a victory and had a good laugh at her expense!
Yeah, you really came out smelling like roses with that stunt.
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