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Old 28.07.2011, 16:25
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Why has this thread been dragged down to You-Tube examples of race relations in the US rather than the comparison of crime rates between Switzerland and England?
In answer to Amogles as proof of interacial mixing in the US, specifically with respect to Latinos. However as Amogles is now thanking you- when you criticize the posting or such a mode of response, he must either want to bow out of that argument or not see the evidence?

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Old 28.07.2011, 17:08
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There also has been shootings not that I have witnesst them but they are there.
I suppose a friend of a friend was killed?
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Old 28.07.2011, 17:10
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So how about discussing Cyber or economic crime?

At the heart of organized and economic crime is money laundering, plus those involved need a place to stash their winnings- what better place than Switzerland?

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Switzerland is the world’s leading private bank: according to some estimates, nearly 30 percent of the world’s private wealth placed outside the home country would be managed in Switzerland. In late 2001, the financial sector employed about 222,000 people, about 115,000 banks and 63,000 in insurance, which were added about 42,000 jobs in the trusts or revision, and other service providers financial, or 6.5 percent of total employment in Switzerland in 2001. According to the OECD, the Swiss financial center, which attracts large masses of capital from abroad, would present the risk of making contributions in order to disguise the direct product of corruption on foreign markets.
I conclude my remarks by recalling that Bertossa said Bernard, a former prosecutor and initiator of the Geneva Call, “it will certainly a generation for us to realize the importance of organized crime and corruption, and for that we have the means necessary for an effective fight the war … in which we are engaged against organized crime is no longer a war that may be conducted only by professionals. This is not a professional army that we will solve the problems. This is a true civil war. “
http://economicsnewspaper.com/econom...r-2-31802.html


Switzerland still has to come into line with the rest of the EU with respects to monitoring Cybercrime, they basically don't have a force equipped to tackle the problem at present hopefully they will by 2013, basically it is doe to ineffective policing at higher levels.Politicians are too busy trying to catch the little guys and blaming crime on immigrants. They should start with their own banks and mafia-like organizations that hide their funds there- bite the snake at its head, stop chasing its tail.

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Inroads into Switzerland by the Italian Mafia, particularly the `Ndrangheta, were also highlighted in the Federal Police report.

“Switzerland is being used first and foremost as a logistics hub and country of transit,” the police said, confirming that Mafia organisations remained very active in Switzerland as well as in areas just across the border in Italy and Germany.

Federal Police director, Jean-Luc Vez, told a news conference following the publication of the report that it was time to review the police cooperation agreement signed ten years ago with Italy. The goal, Vez said, is to improve coordination between the police of both countries.

Growing pressure from the Italian authorities on the `Ndrangheta has led the organisation to shift some of its activities into Switzerland including money laundering. However, it’s believed tightened laws have made it very difficult for criminal organisations to launder money through Swiss banks.

`Ndrangheta tourism
Over the past few years, the `Ndrangheta have filtered large sums by investing in catering, property and art, according to Stéphanie Oesch, author of a book published last year on the impact of organised crime on the Swiss financial centre.

The amount laundered has been estimated to be between SFr20 and SFr30 billion ($24-$36 billion).

“In canton Valais criminal organisations seek to launder money by investing mainly in property and the restaurant and hotel sector. The Mafia is particularly interested in large property and tourist projects,” Oesch told swissinfo.ch in an interview following the publication of her book.

After reviewing the latest Federal Police report, she confirmed that her findings were still valid.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss_ne...l?cid=30532114

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Old 28.07.2011, 17:23
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So how about discussing Cyber or economic crime?

At the heart of organized and economic crime is money laundering, plus those involved need a place to stash their winnings- what better place than Switzerland?

http://economicsnewspaper.com/econom...r-2-31802.html
The Cayman Islands? Ah, I see, just another attempt at thread drift.

Also I don't think writing in proper English is overrated, especially in a publication that calls itself economicsnewspaper.com. "Occupation: Germany good student of Europe, Spain battered" had me fear for a moment I had stumbled across the "Good Occupation" weekend supplement of Völkischer Beobachter. But then it was just a poor translation from French, the article is about (un-)employment
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Old 28.07.2011, 17:32
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The Cayman Islands? Ah, I see, just another attempt at thread drift.
There are always the little off-shore wannabe tax-havens round the world, but the Swiss banks are the mother of all secret banking.

If you want to talk about crime then it should be all crime-money laundering is directly linked to street crimes. Unless of course by thread drift you mean- we only want to talk about the louts and violent thugs (usually immigrants) who come over here and mess up our streets. A criminal hierarchy? Surely the ones at the top are more guilty? Or do you just want to ignore that as thread drift?
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Old 28.07.2011, 18:06
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In answer to Amogles as proof of interacial mixing in the US, specifically with respect to Latinos. However as Amogles is now thanking you- when you criticize the posting or such a mode of response, he must either want to bow out of that argument or not see the evidence?

Don't ask if you don't want to know the answer.
For somebody who advocates the teaching of good debating, you certainly are very good at starting a discussion about a valid point but then hopping off to something else rather than enganging that precise point, while presenting vast masses of unstructured evidence that doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

A bunch of happy people doing folk dancy things in some rich liberal stock-broker-belt town does not really contribute to what we were discussing, or if it does you omitted to explain how.

I once saw a black guy wearing an Appenzell costume and yodelling. He sounded very convincing. I also used to work with an Algerian guy who joined the SVP. These things exist and are for real. Yet I don't go and post youtube movies of them, claiming them to be evidence of interracial harmony.
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Old 28.07.2011, 18:08
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If you want to talk about crime then it should be all crime-money laundering is directly linked to street crimes. Unless of course by thread drift you mean- we only want to talk about the louts and violent thugs (usually immigrants) who come over here and mess up our streets. A criminal hierarchy? Surely the ones at the top are more guilty? Or do you just want to ignore that as thread drift?
If you want to talk about crime going all the way up, let's talk about war crimes by the US government versus war crimes by the Swiss government.
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Old 28.07.2011, 18:11
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So how about discussing Cyber or economic crime?

At the heart of organized and economic crime is money laundering, plus those involved need a place to stash their winnings- what better place than Switzerland?

Perhaps we could split the job - those of us "over here" could tackle money-laundering and tax evasion in European countries, and since it's just down the road from her, Hoppy could sort out Delaware.


Oh, you know the one.

  • The one that's the World's Most Opaque Jurisdiction.
  • The one that offers the best protection in the world for those who don't want to disclose their identity as a beneficial owner.
  • The one that hosts 50% of the US's quoted firms.
  • The one that is "home" to over 600,000 companies.
  • The one where you don't need to pay corporation tax, don't need to conduct a real business, don't need any physical presence in the country, and don't even need tpo give your name.
  • The one that beats Luxembourg, Switzerland, Caymans, London and all those other rank amateurs hands down.
  • The one that, despite all the foregoing, managed to not get onto the OECD's blacklist.

Yes, that Delaware...


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Old 28.07.2011, 18:50
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

I am quite sure that no private citizen can mount an operational 50 cal machine gun on their car. And remember, the US a much bigger country then Switzerland or Englan or both combined for that matter so no doubt there is more crime..it all depends on where you live.
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Old 28.07.2011, 18:52
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For somebody who advocates the teaching of good debating, you certainly are very good at starting a discussion about a valid point but then hopping off to something else rather than enganging that precise point, while presenting vast masses of unstructured evidence that doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

A bunch of happy people doing folk dancy things in some rich liberal stock-broker-belt town does not really contribute to what we were discussing, or if it does you omitted to explain how.

I once saw a black guy wearing an Appenzell costume and yodelling. He sounded very convincing. I also used to work with an Algerian guy who joined the SVP. These things exist and are for real. Yet I don't go and post youtube movies of them, claiming them to be evidence of interracial harmony.
I know that- an Iranian was once the Appenzeller horn world champion, there are always the odd ones. Here we have true mixing of races, partly because most people are themselves racially mixed. It isn't a novelty factor when a Afro-Americans joins the Republicans or Latinos wear the US flag, when everyone is a token individual the idea of a token Black or Latino fades, the concept changes. You have to listen to the individual and find out how they want to be identified, usually it's American. Coming from Switzerland I had to learn to give up trying to classifying people primarily on race or physical appearance, just because a person is of African-American descent doesn't mean he is an Obama supporter. Street crime rates are not linked to race- they are linked to poverty, drugs, morals, education etc.
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Old 28.07.2011, 18:59
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

I also think, though, that Swiss youth are a bit more well-behaved than kids in the US....


Thats a massive generalization...We have 50 states...one of them, Kansas, is 5 times larger then all of Switzerland...so how can you say such a thing? Me thinks too many Hollywood movies....
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Old 28.07.2011, 19:00
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Perhaps we could split the job - those of us "over here" could tackle money-laundering and tax evasion in European countries, and since it's just down the road from her, Hoppy could sort out Delaware.


Oh, you know the one.

  • The one that's the World's Most Opaque Jurisdiction.
  • The one that offers the best protection in the world for those who don't want to disclose their identity as a beneficial owner.
  • The one that hosts 50% of the US's quoted firms.
  • The one that is "home" to over 600,000 companies.
  • The one where you don't need to pay corporation tax, don't need to conduct a real business, don't need any physical presence in the country, and don't even need tpo give your name.
  • The one that beats Luxembourg, Switzerland, Caymans, London and all those other rank amateurs hands down.
  • The one that, despite all the foregoing, managed to not get onto the OECD's blacklist.

Yes, that Delaware...


Just a thought
Yes Delaware is bad- and this is Joe Biden's state, but if you look at US Most companies try to go global and outsource-most prefer Switzerland if they can afford it as a tax loophole as do many celebrities. Delaware is tiny in comparison, but it will make do when they can't get Switzerland.
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Old 28.07.2011, 19:03
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If you want to talk about crime going all the way up, let's talk about war crimes by the US government versus war crimes by the Swiss government.
You really want to get into the Nazi gold
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I had to learn to give up trying to classifying people primarily on race or physical appearance
That's clearly a work in progress, then.
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Old 28.07.2011, 19:19
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Anyway I am going to climb down on this position, especially because Weejeem is here and damn she's a clever one! It is making me into an anti-Swiss I have to redress my balance. I want to be free to wear my dirndl, braid my hair, attempt to yodel, hike, ride my bike to the shops, eat Greyezer, chocolate and drink good coffee, clean my house to Swiss standard, recycle with zeal and speak Schwietzer-Deutsch and listen to Volksrmusik with pride. You know the 1st of August is the start of Ramadan- what am I to do- delay by one day?
hey la dooley dooley dooley......

spot the token foreigners here?

So sorry if I interrupted the comparison of street crime in the UK and CH- why don't you all just ignore me?
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why don't you all just ignore me?


We try...
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Old 28.07.2011, 19:31
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That's clearly a work in progress, then.
Yes, at least I am aware of the fact that I have been indoctrinated; most aren't.

I have taken tests and found out that I am more trustful of African-Americans that Caucasians. That's kind of sad when I am Caucasian, most people who take these tests show a preference, so I just have to try harder to really ignore outward appearance. I definitely have a soft spot for tall dark handsome, mixed race,multilingual, intelligent, rugged men though
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I have taken tests and found out that I am more trustful of African-Americans that Caucasians.
Yes, dear.

Tests, were they?

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Old 28.07.2011, 19:45
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You really want to get into the Nazi gold
I think that still doesn't tip the balance. All the Swiss cantons joined the confederacy voluntarily and all their languages became official languages. Cherokeese is not an official language in the US and neither were the majority of land grabs of Native American land ever properly compensated. The land grab from Mexico wasn't exactly clean either. Most European countries abolished slavery decades before you did and did so without having to fight a civil war over it. Sorry, your shirt is nowhere as clean as you'd like to believe.
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Old 28.07.2011, 19:49
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Yes, dear.

Tests, were they?

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Nah! Now that I think about it even if they looked like leprechauns and even had Irish ancestry, they didn't have Irish accents. Actually they were quite cute....
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