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But the police informed you directly?

Do you really think this is something that wouldn't get out? Little Johnny comes home from school. "Guess what we did today, mummy, the police made us clean up after a shoot out but there will be no homework assignment on it because they want to keep it all hush-hush - yay!"

As a parent I would make as much noise about that as possible to whoever would listen and I don't think it would keep quiet for very long at all.

Come on.
I was there at the station while they were doing it! Walruti Schulhaus, Oberwinterthur around 1994. Between the school and the station there are allotments where they used to fix up. I was shocked that the police were allowing them to do this. the glass on the platform shelter was shot out. I asked the police what had happened and they told me. Do you really think I would lie about this stuff? I told the neighbours that the police were allowing the kids to pick the shells and syringes up, they said nothing, I asked why it wasn't in the press later and they said that was not the Swiss way.

Once I was looking out of the window and saw 3 soldiers pop their heads up from behind the bank at the end of the garden, they were paying hide and seek exercises with their comrades, carrying guns. I don't know if they were carrying live ammunition, but they seem to be carrying a load of stuff, with kids running around- they give the kids sweets, the kids love it! We have also have armourred vehicles race where kids play and planes dog fight over the house, You've never seen all this?
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I was there at the station while they were doing it! Walruti Schulhaus, Oberwinterthur around 1994. Between the school and the station there are allotments where they used to fix up. I was shocked that the police were allowing them to do this. the glass on the platform shelter was shot out. I asked the police what had happened and they told me. Do you really think I would lie about this stuff? I told the neighbours that the police were allowing the kids to pick the shells and syringes up, they said nothing, I asked why it wasn't in the press later and they said that was not the Swiss way.

Once I was looking out of the window and saw 3 soldiers pop their heads up from behind the bank at the end of the garden, they were paying hide and seek exercises with their comrades, carrying guns. I don't know if they were carrying live ammunition, but they seem to be carrying a load of stuff, with kids running around- they give the kids sweets, the kids love it! We have also have armourred vehicles race where kids play and planes dog fight over the house, You've never seen all this?
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Old 24.07.2011, 15:26
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I agree that a lot of stuff doesn't make it to the mainstream press. But I would say the more realistic reasons are that it's simply not newsworthy or something bigger dominates the column inches. Haven't the newspapers just been going through the mill at the moment with all manner of scandal - seems a case of too MUCH information rather than cutting it back.

For the loan scandal I would say it wasn't particularly newsworthy until it involved the more public body of the media.

I used to work for a regional newspaper and stories were constantly being dropped, added or moved up or down the page count before deadline. Some people might call that a cover up, others might just say it doesn't sell papers.

In Hoppy's post, I am sure any case of the police using school children to clear up bullet shells and spent syringes after a shoot out would be extremely difficult to keep out of the public domain, especially in Switzerland. I can't believe that not one child, teacher or parent (or slightly shocked policeman for that matter) would let that one stay under wraps.

It simply doesn't add up but, then again hearsay rarely does, does it?
You have my permission to print the story and use me as a witness.

Why don't you write about the fact that soldiers carry out their war games carrying arms in areas where kids are. Does anyone know if the rifles loaded? I'm sure I saw grenades too. Can anyone confirm this?
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You have my permission to print the story and use me as a witness.

Why don't you write about the fact that soldiers carry out their war games carrying arms in areas where kids are. Does anyone know if the rifles loaded? I'm sure I saw grenades too. Can anyone confirm this?
i don't know, was anyone with you?

Fact is you are reminiscing about an event from 17 years ago and now your location on this forum says "US". I don't think your story would hold up much. If you were so shocked about the shells and syringes, why didn't you make a fuss about it at the time or was the response that "it's not the Swiss way" when reporting such stories the end of the road for you?

My husband's army activities were confined to remote areas and he certainly didn't get involved in any "hide and seek" games with kids. His rifle was never loaded unless he went to his annual shooting practice. Otherwise they had the laser attachment for shooting "live rounds" at each other.

Anyway, is this really anything to do with "crime" in Switzerland or is it turning into a debate about whether the Swiss army is safe around children?
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Why don't you write about the fact that soldiers carry out their war games carrying arms in areas where kids are. Does anyone know if the rifles loaded? I'm sure I saw grenades too. Can anyone confirm this?

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Why don't you write about the fact that soldiers carry out their war games carrying arms in areas where kids are. Does anyone know if the rifles loaded? I'm sure I saw grenades too. Can anyone confirm this?
Yes, most grown-up Swiss males can confirm this, and they can also tell you that those soldiers do NOT carry live ammo. The grenades are dummies too.
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

I do suspect that there would be more crime in Switzerland if:

1. There was more poverty here
2. Bars stayed open later, and
3. Public transport ran later into the night than it often does (e.g. When some friends of ours come to visit us in central Zurich, they often have to leave and catch their trains before midnight or else they can't make it home).

I also think, though, that Swiss youth are a bit more well-behaved than kids in the US, for example. This is, of course, just based on my personal observations, but I have noticed that there seems to be a LOT less of that "gangsta" mentality going on here. Whereas, in much of the US, you do see a lot of young kids giving off an air of violence (e.g. "You look at me the wrong way an' I'll cap yo ass").
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Yes, most grown-up Swiss males can confirm this, and they can also tell you that those soldiers do NOT carry live ammo. The grenades are dummies too.
As are many many members of internet forums, including this one.
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Old 24.07.2011, 17:13
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I do suspect that there would be more crime in Switzerland if:

1. There was more poverty here
2. Bars stayed open later, and
3. Public transport ran later into the night than it often does (e.g. When some friends of ours come to visit us in central Zurich, they often have to leave and catch their trains before midnight or else they can't make it home).

I also think, though, that Swiss youth are a bit more well-behaved than kids in the US, for example. This is, of course, just based on my personal observations, but I have noticed that there seems to be a LOT less of that "gangsta" mentality going on here. Whereas, in much of the US, you do see a lot of young kids giving off an air of violence (e.g. "You look at me the wrong way an' I'll cap yo ass").
I agree with you on all three points. I would also add that it is very hard to gage dangerous vs. safe neighborhoods in CH. Here in the US I know where to and where not to go when walking home after a night out. I know what types to look out for and mostly I know that as long as I stay out of the "gangstas" view I will be safe. However in CH I have a harder time gaging dangerous vs. safe areas, because they all look really nice. Case in point I was walking back from langstrasse to my friends place with a local and the area looked really safe and actually kind of nice, however my companion was pretty nervous about the whole affair since it was considered a "bad" area.
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I agree with you on all three points. I would also add that it is very hard to gage dangerous vs. safe neighborhoods in CH. Here in the US I know where to and where not to go when walking home after a night out. I know what types to look out for and mostly I know that as long as I stay out of the "gangsta's" visier I will be safe. However in CH I have a harder time gaging dangerous vs. safe areas, because they all look really nice. Case in point I was walking back from langstrasse to my friends place with a local and the area looked really safe and actually kind of nice, however my companion was pretty nervous about the whole affair since it was considered the "bad" area.
I don't think you are likely to get shot or stabbed around the Langstrasse - if anything you are more likely to run into someone that will pickpocket you or clash with drunk people falling out of a bar. Bad neighbourhoods in Switzerland are nothing like the equivalent badlands in either the US or, to a certain extent, the UK. There are no marauding gangs here with revenge killings and drugs wars.

Was your friend Swiss? If she's from the countryside (or even just the suburbs) and she finds herself in the Langstrasse in Zurich, most Swiss feel like they are daring and edgy, and are bound to be feeling a bit of adrenalin.
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I think you are not likely to get shot or stabbed around the Langstrasse - if anything you are more likely to run into someone that will pickpocket you or clash with drunk people falling out of a bar. Bad neighbourhoods in Switzerland are nothing like the equivalent badlands in either the US or, to a certain extent, the UK. There are no marauding gangs here with revenge killings and drugs wars.

Was your friend Swiss? If she's from country (or even just the suburbs) and she finds herself in the Langstrasse in Zurich, most Swiss feel like they are daring and edgy, and are bound to be feeling a bit of adrenalin.
haha she was Swiss. I don't know if Staefe, ZH counts as being in the burbs though.
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Hello everyone

I would like to know your opinion about crime in the Switzerland compare to England?

How is it comparing to England?

I have a notion that England is completely disorganized country and police does not do good job compare to USA (for exemple).
Clearly, Plus, you are trolling - because the USA is a paragon of virtue and there is no crime there. Oh, no. None. Indeed, it is much better than the UK.

I am not particularly defending the UK, I just think that your comparative example shows your complete and utter ignorance on the topic. Are you 12?

If you really want to know, look up the reported stats. Sure, there'll be variations in how crime is reported, but it'll be more fact-based than any information you'll get here.

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Switzerland is awash with guns (hell I got two semi automatic army rifles in the next room), breaking in or just pissing someone off in CH is a very, very bad idea.

Hence: no crime
I completely disagree. Then again, maybe that's why there's no crime the in US.

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i don't know, was anyone with you?

Fact is you are reminiscing about an event from 17 years ago and now your location on this forum says "US". I don't think your story would hold up much. If you were so shocked about the shells and syringes, why didn't you make a fuss about it at the time or was the response that "it's not the Swiss way" when reporting such stories the end of the road for you?

My husband's army activities were confined to remote areas and he certainly didn't get involved in any "hide and seek" games with kids. His rifle was never loaded unless he went to his annual shooting practice. Otherwise they had the laser attachment for shooting "live rounds" at each other.

Anyway, is this really anything to do with "crime" in Switzerland or is it turning into a debate about whether the Swiss army is safe around children?
17 years ago or not it happened so you are wrong, just don't want to admit it.Of course I warned neighbors, but most kids at the school had already been given lectures on what to do when they saw the syringes. I am HIV/ disease fastidious, my kids had been lectured. I had bigger fish to fry in Switzerland, like racism and discrimination which to me is still a crime but types of crime that you may choose not to recognize.

Why don't you ask around if the army carry out pretend battles in populated areas, since you refuse to believe anything I say. I still have a house where they carry out those raids in Switzerland, friends and relatives and I'm Swiss.
Whether the Swiss army are safe enough around kids, the kids loved them and most of these guys were local. I don't know if they had live rounds, it was just funny to see them hiding at the bottom of the garden. My son was supposed train for rifle practice- but Mummy said "No". My husband joined the Feuerwehr and rescued people in his breathing apparatus, which he really enjoyed.
I did see a robbery at the Kantonal Bank in Winterthur, the special police had what looked like little automatic machine guns. Coming from the UK it was a bit of a shock.

Anything drug related is a crime, another thing that sticks in my mind was having to use a toilet at Enge railway station. There was a ripped can, syringe and blood splattered everywhere. I informed them at the ticket counter and they just shrugged and said 'drug addicts!'.

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Why don't you ask around if the army carry out pretend battles in populated areas, since you refuse to believe anything I say. I still have a house where they carry out those raids in Switzerland, friends and relatives and I'm Swiss.
Whether the Swiss army are safe enough around kids, the kids loved them and most of these guys were local. I don't know if they had live rounds, it was just funny to see them hiding at the bottom of the garden.
No one doubts that there are exercises in populated areas. That's normal practice and can happen everywhere in this country, any time, since there are no ghost towns.

However, I already clearly stated that those soldiers DO NOT CARRY ANY LIVE AMMO. Please read before writing. I was part of such maneuvres many times, and most Swiss men were. They all will agree with me. What you call raids isn't any more dangerous than a boy scouts' outing. And that's exactly what Swiss soldiers often call it in Swiss German, "Pfadi-Üebig."
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Old 24.07.2011, 21:33
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What a coincidence my fortune cookie jut read:

Society prepares the crime; the criminal commits it.
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

Just up the road from here, the commune installed a wonderful slatted-wood picnic table.
Within a week vandals had stuck burning tinder in the slats and the whole table was ruined. The benches on either side likewise.
I'm sure vandals hadn't come all the way over from England just for that.
There are local thugs and vandals here too unfortunately.
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Just up the road from here, the commune installed a wonderful slatted-wood picnic table.
Within a week vandals had stuck burning tinder in the slats and the whole table was ruined. The benches on either side likewise.
I'm sure vandals hadn't come all the way over from England just for that.
There are local thugs and vandals here too unfortunately.
....... but at least they give you a smile and a "good day", when you pass them in the street.
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