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Anything drug related is a crime, another thing that sticks in my mind was having to use a toilet at Enge railway station. There was a ripped can, syringe and blood splattered everywhere. I informed them at the ticket counter and they just shrugged and said 'drug addicts!'.
You sound rather naive now. Do you think the needle, blood and ripped can would have been hastily cleaned up and the place sanitised in any other country? Doesn't that make Switzerland rather unremarkable compared to other countries?

Maybe the person at the ticket counter was also "HIV fastidious" and wouldn't have gone near it with a barge pole, preferring to wait for the cleaning teams. This would definitely happen in the UK. Due to the barrage of Health and Safety regs, only a specialist team would be able to tackle the clean up after a drug user and I can't imagine the litigation-happy US being any different.
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Old 25.07.2011, 08:58
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

My view would be that the Swiss are very tough on crime that creates a Swiss victim.
The potentially victimless crimes (such as drug abuse) and such tend to get dealt with in different ways.
Overall I have found it one of the most peaceful places to live on the planet, although admittedly Johannesburg and London are not always the best things to be comparing to. :-)
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You sound rather naive now. Do you think the needle, blood and ripped can would have been hastily cleaned up and the place sanitised in any other country? Doesn't that make Switzerland rather unremarkable compared to other countries?

Maybe the person at the ticket counter was also "HIV fastidious" and wouldn't have gone near it with a barge pole, preferring to wait for the cleaning teams. This would definitely happen in the UK. Due to the barrage of Health and Safety regs, only a specialist team would be able to tackle the clean up after a drug user and I can't imagine the litigation-happy US being any different.
As a teacher I have received instructions in health and safety on how to deal with boldily fliud spills, in the US and UK- but not in Switzerland- at least not 11 years ago. The first thing that you do is isolate the area while you either wait for someone to come and deal with it- or you get the kit and deal with it yourself. the last thing you want is people walking into it.

I don't know what your problem-at first you ask ( in the Bahnhof incident) why didn't you tell someone- now I give you another example of where I did and you more or less say- did you expect the to clean it up immediately? I do expect them to close it to the public by putting some kind of sign up till it s dealt with. You are just sore at being proved wrong.

You can't say that Switzerland didn't/doesn't have a drug problem with people shooting up, the first time I saw the blue light in the toilet in a provincial town was in Switzerland and that was coming from London. Anything to do with illicit drugs is criminal.

I am not saying that crime doesn't happen in other countries- of course it does, but we don't try to pretend that it doesn't happen. Many on the forum want others to believe that Switzerland is a haven of little to no crime, that's not true. Also, other countries are not so quick to blame it all on the foreigners; drug crime was there evident in Switzerland before the Albanian, Yugoslavian, Turks or eastern Europeans arrived in large numbers- so you can't blame it all on them.

There is crime everywhere- Switzerland too.
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boldily fliud spills,
...or as the prime directive of Onan didn't say: To boldly spill where no man had spilled before.
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Old 25.07.2011, 14:50
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I'm hiding under my bed as I type this. I've never seen the police out of their cars or off of their motorcycles.
Ahh, but they do when someone's knocked over a Post Office (common in Ticino) for a few 100k or millions. When there's a police control and one guy is pointing a machine gun at you while the others ask questions and/or look in your vehicle, they aren't checking to see if you're wearing your seatbelt!

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You can't say that Switzerland didn't/doesn't have a drug problem with people shooting up, the first time I saw the blue light in the toilet in a provincial town was in Switzerland and that was coming from London. Anything to do with illicit drugs is criminal.
To me crime is not some kids taking drugs in the toilets. That may be statistical crime but it doesn't impact my safety. What matters is being able to walk home at night through any neigbourhood without fear of being mugged. Yes, you can walk the full length of Langstrasse at 3 am and although it is more likely than not that somebody will try to sell you sex, somebody else may try to sell you drugs and third person may want to convert you to their religion, it is highly unlikely that anybody will threaten or injure you.

There are streets in London where I wouldn't want to be at that hour.
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Old 25.07.2011, 14:52
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I don't know what your problem-at first you ask ( in the Bahnhof incident) why didn't you tell someone- now I give you another example of where I did and you more or less say- did you expect the to clean it up immediately? I do expect them to close it to the public by putting some kind of sign up till it s dealt with. You are just sore at being proved wrong.
You've not proved anyone wrong or right. It's your own hearsay story with no back up, no proof, just your own words at something that happened years ago. I think the person who is actually sore is you because people don't buy it. You can keep banging on about it but it doesn't make it any more convincing.

Cool, so you have a wealth of experience of drug users and their sites in Switzerland, that's fine. Doesn't mean everyone is going to suddenly see it from your point of view.

Yes, there is crime in Switzerland but from the past 11 years I have been here, it has never affected me and I have lived in the middle of one of the largest cities here, been out at night and never really avoided any areas at any times.

I've seen drug users but, to be honest, that's their thing and they keep themselves to themselves.

So, yes, I am comparing the UK to Switzerland as a safe haven, which it is unless you go out of your way looking for trouble.
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Old 25.07.2011, 15:05
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You have my permission to print the story and use me as a witness.

Why don't you write about the fact that soldiers carry out their war games carrying arms in areas where kids are. Does anyone know if the rifles loaded? I'm sure I saw grenades too. Can anyone confirm this?
I think it's pretty standard procedure, and pretty normal to the point that no-one notices because it IS normal.

Close by (Gola di Lago), there is an artillery range, that when they aren't firing live shells is a favorite place of walkers and pick-nickers, however there are signs warning people to to pick up any un-exploded shells they may find!

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Old 25.07.2011, 15:09
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The British press like to play it up- sensationalism pays. In Switzerland they play it down, near one of the schools n Switzerland there was a shoot out at the station. Kids helped police by picking up shells and syringes- there was nothing in the press, not even local press. I was told that they don't want to publicize because they don't want copycat crimes.
Not really. Many Swiss, and especially the older generation do sensationalise crime. Some relatively minor incident occurs, such as maybe a kid robbing a newspaper kiosk of its day's takings, and immediately everybody chimes in and asks what the world's coming to and the buzz can go on for weeks, especially in smaller towns. The same thing in the UK and people say "hard luck mate" and it's forgotten the next day. It's because we get so much of it that we harden off and ignore it.

Also, if there was a shootout, I can understand that there were cartridges scattered around, but syringes? That one's going to need some explanation. Why do you continuously bring in your biassed racist anti-Swiss views and declare them to be fact?
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Old 25.07.2011, 15:11
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I did see a robbery at the Kantonal Bank in Winterthur, the special police had what looked like little automatic machine guns.
Go to a Swiss airport, you'll see a LOT of police with such guns.

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Old 25.07.2011, 15:13
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It is not just the taking of drugs that is a crime, the whole drug business is crime related- buying, selling, production, transportation, robbery, burglary.......and in other countries prostitution- which is legal in Switzerland. Also, it isn't just a few kids shooting up.
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Go to a Swiss airport, you'll see a LOT of police with such guns.

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Yes, they scare me- I love seeing the police dogs though.
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the whole drug business is crime related- buying, selling, production, transportation, robbery, burglary.......
To be fair, though, Basel isn't all of Switzerland.
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It is not just the taking of drugs that is a crime, the whole drug business is crime related- buying, selling, production, transportation, robbery, burglary.......and in other countries prostitution- which is legal in Switzerland. Also, it isn't just a few kids shooting up.
The drugs business is actually a global problem with most countries involved in varying degrees.

The difference is that there isn't the open warfare here on the streets that you find in the US.

What is your point?
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... the whole drug business is crime related- buying, selling, production, transportation, robbery, burglary........
Yes, transportation is crime related. It's called punishment. But it doesn't happen any more these days. The Australians don't like it.

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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

Strange I should read this thread today. This morning I opened the office to find the place had been burgled I have never experienced this first hand before, it's amazing how horrible it makes you feel and it was only my work place.
I guess it's something I thought can happen here but very rarely does outside of the cities. I was wrong
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

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To be fair, though, Basel isn't all of Switzerland.
Honest? You don't mean to tell me some of the adjoining bits of Solothurn are also in Switzerland?
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Old 25.07.2011, 15:25
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

No, I think Hoppy has a point. While the rest of the world has moved on and become more civilised, Switzerland still has:

  • slavery
  • the stocks
  • pressgangs
  • gibbets
  • scaphism
  • little orphan children made into pies
  • puppy baiting
  • veal
  • witchcraft
  • the corn laws
  • a foul, oppressive empire
  • absolute monarchy
  • trout
It's an affront to common human decency on every count. We should Thunder against it.
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Old 25.07.2011, 15:28
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

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No, I think Hoppy has a point. While the rest of the world has moved on and become more civilised, Switzerland still has:

  • slavery
  • the stocks
  • pressgangs
  • gibbets
  • scaphism
  • little orphan children made into pies
  • puppy baiting
  • veal
  • witchcraft
  • the corn laws
  • a foul, oppressive empire
  • absolute monarchy
  • trout
It's an affront to common human decency on every count. We should Thunder against it.
And thank God for the veal and trout, man was not meant to live by cheese dishes alone!

Tom
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Old 25.07.2011, 15:36
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

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Switzerland still has:

  • slavery
  • the stocks
  • pressgangs
  • gibbets
  • scaphism
  • little orphan children made into pies
  • puppy baiting
  • veal
  • witchcraft
  • the corn laws
  • a foul, oppressive empire
  • absolute monarchy
  • trout
It's an affront to common human decency on every count. We should Thunder against it.
Well, yes, I suppose. But the pies are very tasty.
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