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Old 25.07.2011, 16:51
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Are you sure? Go to some big US cities like LA and the police are so busy they won't even come and write a report if the crime isn't serious enough. Here I've never heard of the police not coming when summoned, no matter how minor the reason. Wouldn't that lead to over-reporting rather than under-reporting.

Where there is a difference is that things are less hidden in Switzerland. So if you live in some posh up-market area in the USA you probably don't wander into the underpriveledged and crime-ridden ghettos of the big cities so often and so don't really get to see the reality there. In Switzerland there is much less space and so you don't get parallel worlds and perceptions to the same extent but everything is exposed more directly.
I think that is the crux of it, in the UK or US, I know the areas and where to expect street problems, some are very close together especially where there is gentrification, but even within two miles, just the other side of the tracks it can be like stepping into a different world. In Switzerland it was more in my face and often became apparent when I least expected it, so it caught me off-guard.
However, street crime is not the only crime and as the_clangers writes I, too, believe that much is under-reported, at least that was my experience.

Of course once again, what is the qoute- there are lies, damned lies and statistics? If you add prostitution (especially under-age prostitution) and child pornography as well as a some of what goes on in the banking industry (http://www.amazon.de/Schweiz-w%C3%A4.../dp/3426048574), acts which in other countries would be classed as illegal then you may find the statistics jump a little.
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Of course once again, what is the qoute- there are lies, damned lies and statistics?
I think that was a stupid saying though and the guy that came up with it should get a good kicking! Numbers and information don't lie, only the people that use them do. Information is a tool, it can be used for both good and bad purposes. People that think that tools can be ethically biased are pretty dangerous in my own view.
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If you add prostitution
Legal here in Switzerland and across most of Europe and a lot of the world. Consider the US to be one of the last bastions where it is mostly illegal and once again a truly great example of why prohibition is bloody stupid and does not work but just hurts innocent and/or stupid people.
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(especially under-age prostitution)
Illegal here in Switzerland as far as I understand.
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and child pornography
Illegal here in Switzerland as well.
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as well as a some of what goes on in the banking industry,
Generally the banking laws here are designed to protect Swiss citizens, not other countries citizens from bankers that have no ethics. If you can honestly show me how the banks in the UK or the US are less or more ethical than the Swiss ones, I might listen, but I am guessing that it would be a very hard sell.
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acts which in other countries would be classed as illegal then you may find the statistics jump a little.
So, nope, I can't see the statistics jumping.
As for some silly stuff like some guys punching each other outside of a bar which in the UK would generally result in a million arrests and criminal records and genetic samples being stored, and you suggest to me that Switzerland would be a better place if every one of those were reported....I am not so sure.
As for somebody having a smoke of some weed, if you really think that people getting a criminal record for that and every one of those situations being reported is really going to make it a better country....sorry, once again, I am pretty sure it isn't.
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:03
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Don't worry ColinWheeler I'm not after your stash!

Off-topic I know but couldn't resist- this is some of the stuff that I love Switzerland for:

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimed...l?cid=30718052

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimed...ml?cid=1017592
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Old 25.07.2011, 18:22
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Don't worry ColinWheeler I'm not after your stash!
He-he, don't worry, you can't own stash. Especially when you are on holiday in Thailand.


Very cool little video clips though. Thanks.
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Sssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh - don't say things like that, Faybay!!!! We don't want all the riff-raff flocking here!!!


No, it's hell Oop North and no mistake. The levels of violence and crime against the person are unbelievable. F'rinstance, I got mugged at the weekend, and am still traumatised by the event, when a bloody great herring gull landed on the boat and pinched my chicken drumstick
I had been looking forward to that chicken leg, I can tell you. I was inconsolable - all the more so when I realised that I would have to make do with lobster and smoked salmon. Again.


What's worse, we were later mobbed by porpoise swimming alongside us and sometimes jumping clean out the water, but the crafty wee cetaceous crooks didn't fool us for an instant; we knew they were just casing the joint.


By and large, I think it would be best if all and sundry move to Switzerland on a permanent basis - I mean, who could possibly fail to find the cold and rain of a summer's day in Züri anything other than refreshing?
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US actually do work; in UK I feel that this is no such organization as police.


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My question, is Switzerland the same?
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

I have a related question, did not want to start a new thread, so sorry, I will end this lovely intercourse, and butt in

We intend to drive around rural roads in Grisons and valais, park the car, hike to the meadows/lakes. It will be me and my wife.

I have the impression its totally safe, and we would not get mugged or waylaid.

I understand, like all big cities, parts of geneva/zurich should be avoided at night, but we are not going to big cities.

So from countryside travel POV, is Valais/Ticono/Grisons pretty safe?

Of course we will be on our guard, carry pepper spray(just in case the there really are kung fu cows in switzerland, because we have lots of them in India).
We also travel a lot in India(where everybody is out to pick your pocket in any crowded place), so hopefully will be on guard against crime of opportunity.

Apart from that the only other weapon we will have is a big heavy tripod, and I can swing it with formidable force too.

Do we need to get a sub machine gun or something? I think if we were touring the tiny island NW of france, we would think of that.
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I have a related question, did not want to start a new thread, so sorry, I will end this lovely intercourse, and butt in

We intend to drive around rural roads in Grisons and valais, park the car, hike to the meadows/lakes. It will be me and my wife.

I have the impression its totally safe, and we would not get mugged or waylaid.

I understand, like all big cities, parts of geneva/zurich should be avoided at night, but we are not going to big cities.

So from countryside travel POV, is Valais/Ticono/Grisons pretty safe?

Of course we will be on our guard, carry pepper spray(just in case the there really are kung fu cows in switzerland, because we have lots of them in India).
We also travel a lot in India(where everybody is out to pick your pocket in any crowded place), so hopefully will be on guard against crime of opportunity.

Apart from that the only other weapon we will have is a big heavy tripod, and I can swing it with formidable force too.

Do we need to get a sub machine gun or something? I think if we were touring the tiny island NW of france, we would think of that.
If you had read the rest of the thread you will see from most peoples' experience that Switzerland is not crime free but crime is very low and probably almost non-existent out in the sticks. Of course you should take the usual precautions and make sure your car is locked and there are no valuables on show when you leave it in a car park, for example.

Carrying a sub-machine gun might make YOU the crime statistic, though, here and in France.

Pepper spray is legal in Switzerland as a self-defence device but I'm not sure whether it is in France so I would check that out, if I were you.
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

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If you had read the rest of the thread you will see from most peoples' experience that Switzerland is not crime free but crime is very low and probably almost non-existent out in the sticks. Of course you should take the usual precautions and make sure your car is locked and there are no valuables on show when you leave it in a car park, for example.

Carrying a sub-machine gun might make YOU the crime statistic, though, here and in France.

Pepper spray is legal in Switzerland as a self-defence device but I'm not sure whether it is in France so I would check that out, if I were you.
I was kidding
We are going to be touring Austria, the nothern tip of italy(passing through driving) and switzerland. On way back we will be driving the Autobahn in germany.
Its good to hear that crime is very very low in the countryside.
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Old 26.07.2011, 09:40
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

I believe the crime rate here is rather high..but because plenty of stuff gets underreported or there simply isn't a law (as yet) for a particular crime, the true crime rate is not accurately represented in the statistics.
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there simply isn't a law (as yet) for a particular crime
Then its not a crime, right? Sorry, I tried to shut the hell up but completely failed.
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there simply isn't a law (as yet) for a particular crime, the true crime rate is not accurately represented in the statistics.
How then do you define a crime if not something that breaks a law?

Should "the statistics" keep track of things that somebody somehow might consider a crime although they're not actually against any law?
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Re: How is the crime rate in the Switzerland compare to England?

Like fashion crimes?
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Then its not a crime, right? Sorry, I tried to shut the hell up but completely failed.
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How then do you define a crime if not something that breaks a law?

Should "the statistics" keep track of things that somebody somehow might consider a crime although they're not actually against any law?
Take for instance a law against stalking, which doesn't exist in Switzerland. Or misorderly conduct in public, which either doesn't exist or is hardly reinforced. There is also the case of domestic violence, which only was made liable for public prosecution around 03. Many victims are still unaware of their rights.
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Old 26.07.2011, 13:32
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I was kidding
We are going to be touring Austria, the nothern tip of italy(passing through driving) and switzerland. On way back we will be driving the Autobahn in germany.
Its good to hear that crime is very very low in the countryside.
We knew you were kidding, as seasoned travellers you will be fine. I don't carry all my credit cards, money or phones in one place. My passports are kept in a pouch that is threaded and attached to me with cable wire! Other travellers tell me that they carry dummy wallets with a little bit of cash in them. Have a nice tour!
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Take for instance a law against stalking, which doesn't exist in Switzerland. Or misorderly conduct in public, which either doesn't exist or is hardly reinforced. There is also the case of domestic violence, which only was made liable for public prosecution around 03. Many victims are still unaware of their rights.
If there is no law, then it's not a crime.

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Take for instance a law against stalking, which doesn't exist in Switzerland.
Define stalking.
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If there is no law, then it's not a crime.

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The unwanted, obsessive attention by an individual or a group of people.
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Other travellers tell me that they carry dummy wallets with a little bit of semtex in them. Have a nice tour!
fixed that for you.
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The unwanted, obsessive attention by an individual or a group of people.
Art. 28 of the Civil Code applies. References: RO 1984 778; FF 1982 II 661. Good try though.
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