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To all you Swiss people: Do realize how great your country is?

Most people outside of Switzerland treat it like it's just another country, perhaps even a somewhat insignificant country. The only cases they've heard of it has to do with the Alps, chocolates, knives and watches.

I find this sad, because it's much more deeper and profound than that, and people ought to realize it.

Why don't people realize that Switzerland is probably the greatest country in the world? I mean it, really. Let me explain.
  1. Tiny and basically powerless central government. Most of the political power is in different competing cantons. This means that people can vote with their feet, by moving between cantons in case their cantonal governments step out of line.
  2. Low taxes. More money is left in the hands of the people, so they can more efficiently engage in commerce, which, among other things, makes way for businesses that would not have existed had the government taxed money away in the first place, and give to charity as they choose.
  3. Privacy. To be compared with countries where people can literally snoop into their neighbors' financial affairs, look up their addresses, and find out who their spouses are.
  4. The right to bear arms, i.e. the government doesn't render people totally defenseless. In fact, government relies on this militia, should the need arise. This is great: The government trusts its people. In other countries, the governments don't trust them and completely disarm their populace.
I'm not sure people in general understand the implications of all this, and I fear they tend to take these things -- liberty, private property rights, and free markets -- for granted. People should realize that these basic things are the true foundations of the Swiss prosperity, and they must never, ever, lose these values. If they do, this world has no country to look up to anymore. Any other form of government eventually leads to a complete meltdown, as we are clearly witnessing across the world today.

The US used to share many of these values. Sadly, it has now turned into a complete totalitarian state of slaves. Let me explain: US citizens have to pay taxes in the US no matter where they go. If they get a citizenship in another country (usually after many years), they have to pay a tax to the US government to renounce their US citizenship. This, to me, is a form of slavery. Plus, the US dollar is on the verge of collapse and US government on the verge of bankruptcy. It won't remain the world superpower for much longer (not that it is good to be one).

I therefore am proud to say that I personally think that Switzerland is the only country that can, and should, proudly call itself the only beacon of light, liberty, and freedom left on the face of this otherwise rotting planet.

May God bless you all, and may God bless the Swiss Confederation.
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The Swiss certainly know how great their country is.

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The Swiss certainly know how great their country is.

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You have got to be kidding. Right ? I really had not a clue about all these points the OP mentions.
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The Swiss certainly know how great their country is.

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And they should! Switzerland is the best. Now let's hope all foreigners understand this basic truth.
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You have got to be kidding. Right ? I really had not a clue about all these points the OP mentions.
Are you Swiss?

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Re: To all you Swiss people: Do realize how great your country is?

I am not sure on what planet you are living on, but mine is not rotten (by the way, update your location, please, since it is certainly not Timbuktu). Tak.

And, "all you Swiss people..."

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Re: To all you Swiss people: Do realize how great your country is?

Of course. That's why they don't want foreigners coming in and ruining their beloved, traditional, functioning paradise (foreigners besides the filthy rich, of course.)
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And they should! Switzerland is the best. Now let's hope all foreigners understand this basic truth.
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Re: To all you Swiss people: Do realize how great your country is?

Thank you for the flowers, Wheat Hoarder, but I would still trade my Swiss passport for a chance to live in the US ... !
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Thank you for the flowers, Wheat Hoarder, but I would still trade my Swiss passport for a chance to live in the US ... !
What?! This "American dream" will soon be a thing of the past. I have my own "Swiss dream". In any case, you can somehow get to the US without forfeiting your precious Swiss passport!
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What?! This "American dream" will soon be a thing of the past.
I don't have an "American dream" and I don't want to be rich, I just like the place a lot (Nevada), that's all :-) There are unfortunately no visa for working class people like me. I would have to be a doctor or a lawyer to get a permit ...
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I have my own "Swiss dream".
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  1. Tiny and basically powerless central government. Most of the political power is in different competing cantons. This means that people can vote with their feet, by moving between cantons in case their cantonal governments step out of line.
  2. Low taxes. More money is left in the hands of the people, so they can more efficiently engage in commerce, which, among other things, makes way for businesses that would not have existed had the government taxed money away in the first place, and give to charity as they choose.
  3. Privacy. To be compared with countries where people can literally snoop into their neighbors' financial affairs, look up their addresses, and find out who their spouses are.
  4. The right to bear arms, i.e. the government doesn't render people totally defenseless. In fact, government relies on this militia, should the need arise. This is great: The government trusts its people. In other countries, the governments don't trust them and completely disarm their populace.
I'm not sure people in general understand the implications of all this, and I fear they tend to take these things -- liberty, private property rights, and free markets -- for granted. People should realize that these basic things are the true foundations of the Swiss prosperity, and they must never, ever, lose these values. If they do, this world has no country to look up to anymore. Any other form of government eventually leads to a complete meltdown, as we are clearly witnessing across the world today.
1. This is not the reality. The Swiss are very connected to their village, they would never get dissatisfied with the performance of their Canton and move from Bern to Zurich for example. In fact, I'd say it's more likely for a British person to move to competing Spain or France than for a Swiss person to move from Geneva to Sankt Gallen.
2. Taxes often give way to mandatory charges like health insurance and unemployment insurance. I do not believe taxes are lower in Switzerland than in the USA or even the UK, like for like.
3. Privacy: the government has fewer snooping rights than other western countries. However Switzerland does not deliver experiential privacy - you will be spied on constantly by your neighbours. Living in a big city like London will deliver a greater aggregate degree of privacy and anonymity than living in Buchs, SG.
4. The firearms are popular in Switzerland because of it's citizen army and love of sports. This works well. The theoretical dynamic is, to my knowledge, absolutely not about citizen:government power balance as it is in the USA.

I have noticed that US people often come onto the forum to wax lyrical about how Switzerland lives up to the promise of a failed America, even though they know nothing about it. I have no idea why this is.
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I have noticed that US people often come onto the forum to wax lyrical about how Switzerland lives up to the promise of a failed America, even though they know nothing about it. I have no idea why this is.
It's the Sound of Music effect. Salzburg may be beautiful but the Von Trapps were safe in Switzerland.
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Most people outside of Switzerland treat it like it's just another country, perhaps even a somewhat insignificant country. The only cases they've heard of it has to do with the Alps, chocolates, knives and watches.

I find this sad, because it's much more deeper and profound than that, and people ought to realize it.

Why don't people realize that Switzerland is probably the greatest country in the world? I mean it, really. Let me explain.
  1. Tiny and basically powerless central government. Most of the political power is in different competing cantons. This means that people can vote with their feet, by moving between cantons in case their cantonal governments step out of line.
  2. Low taxes. More money is left in the hands of the people, so they can more efficiently engage in commerce, which, among other things, makes way for businesses that would not have existed had the government taxed money away in the first place, and give to charity as they choose.
  3. Privacy. To be compared with countries where people can literally snoop into their neighbors' financial affairs, look up their addresses, and find out who their spouses are.
  4. The right to bear arms, i.e. the government doesn't render people totally defenseless. In fact, government relies on this militia, should the need arise. This is great: The government trusts its people. In other countries, the governments don't trust them and completely disarm their populace.
I'm not sure people in general understand the implications of all this, and I fear they tend to take these things -- liberty, private property rights, and free markets -- for granted. People should realize that these basic things are the true foundations of the Swiss prosperity, and they must never, ever, lose these values. If they do, this world has no country to look up to anymore. Any other form of government eventually leads to a complete meltdown, as we are clearly witnessing across the world today.

The US used to share many of these values. Sadly, it has now turned into a complete totalitarian state of slaves. Let me explain: US citizens have to pay taxes in the US no matter where they go. If they get a citizenship in another country (usually after many years), they have to pay a tax to the US government to renounce their US citizenship. This, to me, is a form of slavery. Plus, the US dollar is on the verge of collapse and US government on the verge of bankruptcy. It won't remain the world superpower for much longer (not that it is good to be one).

I therefore am proud to say that I personally think that Switzerland is the only country that can, and should, proudly call itself the only beacon of light, liberty, and freedom left on the face of this otherwise rotting planet.

May God bless you all, and may God bless the Swiss Confederation.
Did anyone else catch the fact that the OP is from "Sweden", which is American for Switzerland..... Funny That....
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Why does Switzerland attracts so many lunatics/red-necks/probably Tea-party supporters from the US?
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1. This is not the reality. The Swiss are very connected to their village, they would never get dissatisfied with the performance of their Canton and move from Bern to Zurich for example. In fact, I'd say it's more likely for a British person to move to competing Spain or France than for a Swiss person to move from Geneva to Sankt Gallen.
2. Taxes often give way to mandatory charges like health insurance and unemployment insurance. I do not believe taxes are lower in Switzerland than in the USA or even the UK, like for like.
3. Privacy: the government has fewer snooping rights than other western countries. However Switzerland does not deliver experiential privacy - you will be spied on constantly by your neighbours. Living in a big city like London will deliver a greater aggregate degree of privacy and anonymity than living in Buchs, SG.
4. The firearms are popular in Switzerland because of it's citizen army and love of sports. This works well. The theoretical dynamic is, to my knowledge, absolutely not about citizen:government power balance as it is in the USA.

I have noticed that US people often come onto the forum to wax lyrical about how Switzerland lives up to the promise of a failed America, even though they know nothing about it. I have no idea why this is.
Thanks for your insightful comments.

1. Thankfully, no Swiss canton has yet overstepped its bounds so much to have its effect on the general population, so (thankfully) the factor of "connection to the village" still rules over other factors. But just look at foreigners, and wealthy Swiss people, who clearly vote with their feet and move to less intrusive Cantons.
2. True that. I have some calculations to do on this matter, although something tells me that private insurance companies are far more efficient and cost effective than government bureaucracies. I don't have the numbers to prove it, though, but that's my feeling. But something tells me that I, if I have the means, can have the freedom and option to be a better health insurance if I should so choose, than the government in other countries inefficiently provide to their whole populace.
3. Well, I know that in Scandinavia people can snoop into their neighbors' affairs easily, with a simple web search in many cases. Okay, so let's say I'm in a small town somewhere in Zug. And some neighbors become curious about my affairs. What do they have to do to get my information? Can they just browse some website, or do they have to be friends with some employee of the Canton? In any case, you may be right that privacy in London could be good; I don't know for sure how it works there.
4. The purpose of the Swiss firearms are clear in the Swiss constitution. I guess most people have their guns now because it would be a hassle to get rid of them. Not sure. In any case, according to the law, their purpose (at least for the militia guns) is such that an army can be formed should the need arise. But you're right, today in practice I suppose guns are more for sports, as in most other countries.

Thanks again for your comments, but I still believe that there is a grain of truth in what I said above, especially about what constitutes a viable economy. I know it sounded a bit "Swiss patriotic" type ridiculous, but what can I do? I'm a big fan of Switzerland.
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Why does Switzerland attracts so many lunatics/red-necks/probably Tea-party supporters from the US?
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