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Nobody knows what OP's background is so why generalize and say it is hypocritical from his side?
It doesn't matter what the OP's background is. He's living in a culture where eating horsemeat is perfectly acceptable, it's culturally ignorant to try and change that based on nothing more than feelings, and purely hypocritical to eat beef but not horse. Horses are nothing more than pointy-nosed cows, despite whatever romantic notions people may have about them. I'm a dog owner, and I love dogs, but I can't logically object to people eating them provided the animal is treated humanely, which sadly isn't always the case in dog-eating nations. It isn't my place to arbitrarily tell other people and cultures which animals are ok to eat and which aren't.

The funny thing about horsmeat is how much of it comes from self proclaimed horse lovers in North America who sell older animals or animals they can no longer care for for slaughter.
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:30
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Have a look here, WARNING, webpage not for doglovers.

http://alanohof.com
A quick google seems to indicate that this is a fake.
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:31
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Even if the OP wants to join a organization that is trying to ban horse meat, it doesn't make him less respectful. It's a choice. And he can pass the word to others without going a crusade!
This type of campaign is leading to an americanisation of politics. In the US you get things like gay marriages or abortion being used as vote catchers by cynical politicians and to divert from more pressing topics such as severe social inequality, the economy etc. And the nice thing about these topics is you can ban them, unban the, ban them, unban them without ever making any real progress either way and so continue to use them as electoral smoke and mirrors for ever, while the politicians who use them as such can otherwise quietly follow their own self-serving agendas.
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I have tried it once if that's what you're hinting at. A horse is an animal I can have a special relationship with (just like with a cat or a dog) that's why I don't want to eat it.

I'm not a militant anti-horse eating activist though. If people around me eat horse steak I don't comment on it, it's my choice.
I think he was attempting a word play zymogen.

You said the horse was your friend....he was asking when u had him over at your place for dinner.
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:33
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Of course, I always get a kick out of the Jewish guy who claims to be keeping Kosher while chowing down on a bacon double cheeseburger.
A couple of my Jewish mates tucked straight into the bacon and pork chipolatas when I did a Christmas dinner for them, yet a muslim friend had me remove the bacon from her burger (not a euphemism ) before tucking in.
In fact she couldn't even look at it.

I'm a vegetarian on moral grounds, I'll only eat something nowadays that I'd kill myself, and as there's no way I'd go and kill a pig or calf, so I don't eat them.
Causes no end of bother with Mrs Mainwaring, who is an out and out carnivore.

Fish on the other hand are fair game. Each to his own.
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I couldn't eat cats, horses or dogs- but I agree that either we eat meat or we don't. I kept chickens too, as pets for eggs, and it is amazing how different they are as individuals. A friend of mine had 1 pet Guernsey cow, and she was so affectionate and intelligent.

For me, it is not about eating one type or another - but all about good husbandry and efficient and quick slaughter methods, locally without long transport beforehand. I will not watch the video, sorry. Some country do believe that the meat of animals, be they cats, dogs, badgers, cows or whatever- tastes better if a lot of pain is inflicted beforehand, because of the adrenalin is releases. And this is totally un-acceptable. I'd happily join a group which works to improve husbandry and slaughter- but the suffering of a cow is not worth less than the suffering of a horse, or even dog or cat. This will come as a surprise to many, but there is a long tradition of dog eating (especially Bernese sheep dogs) in some central Kantons of CH- and my local hockey team still has a cat on its shirts- as when the club was started in the 40s, they always caught a cat and ate it at their first training game of the winter.

I got very fond of a horse since we moved here as she spent much time in our field- and I can assure you I won't be queuing at the horse butcher's as she was slaughtered 2 days ago and now for sale. Great husbandry, short transport to local abattoir with her owner, and the quickest despatch possible - but I ain't having any, thanks.
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This type of campaign is leading to an americanisation of politics. In the US you get things like gay marriages or abortion being used as vote catchers by cynical politicians and to divert from more pressing topics such as severe social inequality, the economy etc. And the nice thing about these topics is you can ban them, unban the, ban them, unban them without ever making any real progress either way and so continue to use them as electoral smoke and mirrors for ever, while the politicians who use them as such can otherwise quietly follow their own self-serving agendas.
Horse lovers recently celebrated a huge victory by getting horse slaughterhouses banned in the US. Now all the horses spend days in a hot truck bound for slaughter in wholly unregulated Mexican slaughterhouses instead. I'm sure they're very grateful.
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Like with all "eating of sentient beings", my main concern is whether the animal was treated well while it was alive and whether its death was as pain- and stress free as possible. If these things are fulfilled, then I will eat it, otherwise I won't. I guess that's the "Christian meat-eating approach" - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:36
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The funny thing about horsmeat is how much of it comes from self proclaimed horse lovers in North America who sell older animals or animals they can no longer care for for slaughter.
USA population: 307,006,550. Just because someone was born in America, making them a part of that big number, it doesn't mean they agree with their policy. I am Portuguese, but that doesn't make me agaisnt abortion!

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He's living in a culture where eating horsemeat is perfectly acceptable, it's culturally ignorant to try and change that based on nothing more than feelings
We live in a democratic society. Hell, we live in Switzerland, where the laws are always open for debate.

The reason why we don't eat human being is also because of feelings (that's just nasty). The reason we don't eat whales is because of feelings (it would be a pity if they went extinct).

A fight for ban on horse meat is as valid as the fight to make/keep it allowed.

Whether they are getting enough votes to make it real, it's another story. But I find a lot of these arguments "YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE, OP" quite hypocrite themselves.
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A couple of my Jewish mates tucked straight into the bacon and pork chipolatas when I did a Christmas dinner for them, yet a muslim friend had me remove the bacon from her burger (not a euphemism ) before tucking in.
In fact she couldn't even look at it.
I met up with a Muslim friend during Ramadan and he had a delicious schitzel and a good beer to wash it down and he even joked about it.

I alos know a Hindu guy and he eats beef. When I asked him about it, he said, "as long as it's not an Indian cow"
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:38
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A quick google seems to indicate that this is a fake.
Could be, though some years back the address worked and you could order, never did though, however in Appenzell over in Vorarlberg there are more than one Schlachter that I know sell not only horse but dog, so the verdict is out.
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Now all the horses spend days in a hot truck bound for slaughter in wholly unregulated Mexican slaughterhouses instead. I'm sure they're very grateful.
Similar problem in the UK, DEFRA closed down many local slaughter houses, and now there are only a few huge regional abattoirs, which means a very stressful last day on earth for them.
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Guys, the world is full of human beings trying to convince the next person their ideals are better than yours.
You are welcome to try and convince me of whatever you want - can at least be some interesting discussion.

But what Simon was pointing at is that this club does not want to convince you at all - it wants to force you to live according to their standards by introducing a law. And frankly: I do not like laws per se - I want to see a good logical reason for one. "It's a taboo for me, so it should be one for you as well" is quite the opposite of that.

I for example do eat pretty much anything except of shark fin - I find it unethical to do so. Yes, I think others' should not eat it either and did in fact try to convince others to not eat it. But I am not asking for laws that tell people what to eat (I do however ask for laws that enforce standards when it comes to food production...).
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Old 27.07.2011, 11:55
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Well Treverus, we actually don't know if that is the organization the op is looking for, that's what I was trying to defend ! I got a little bit touchy with all the finger pointing, à lá Opera mode, "HYPOCRITE" *with some Wagner in the background, probably*

I do understand there are some really nasty Organizations. Catholic Church did some nasty stuff. Greenpeace did some nasty stuff. PETA did some nasty stuff. I certainly don't agree with some of their really violent policies. But the wonderful thing, I believe, in this modern age of internet, is you can more easily find a group that shares your views, and can plan a peaceful "revolution". It might work, because a lot of people agree, or it might not work, because most people don't agree. That's the great thing about democracy!

But people don't need to feel all angry and defensive because someone is against their believes and is trying some change. I think we could all sit down and have a gentlemen's discussion even with the SVP
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Catholic Church did some nasty stuff.
You're kidding me, right?
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A couple of my Jewish mates tucked straight into the bacon and pork chipolatas when I did a Christmas dinner for them, yet a muslim friend had me remove the bacon from her burger (not a euphemism ) before tucking in.
In fact she couldn't even look at it.

I'm a vegetarian on moral grounds, I'll only eat something nowadays that I'd kill myself, and as there's no way I'd go and kill a pig or calf, so I don't eat them.
Causes no end of bother with Mrs Mainwaring, who is an out and out carnivore.

Fish on the other hand are fair game. Each to his own.
I think I'm in the same boat with you, sort of. I could never slaughter an animal to put food on my table, and I can barely stomach the idea of handling raw meat. If someone else kills and prepares it though, then I have no qualms.

Fish on the other hand... no problem.
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Well Treverus, we actually don't know if that is the organization the op is looking for, that's what I was trying to defend !
Well, which part of the title of this thread can be misunderstood? An organization that works against the SALE of the meat. Not one that tries to convince consumers not to BUY it... as I cannot imagine a club trying to talk Migros into dropping products that have a demand and long standing traditon in Switzerland, it can only work to outlaw the sale.

I am not calling anyone a hypocrit - I only ask people to explain me their reasons - so far nothing I can understand within this thread.
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I am not calling anyone a hypocrit - I only ask people to explain me their reasons - so far nothing I can understand within this thread.
Was not talking to you in specific. And I agree with you, people should engage on a healthy discussion!

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You're kidding me, right?
I was not trying to measure levels of nastiness, LiB, therefore there was no comparison to be searched between the 3 organizations I mentioned. I also didn't want to get to specifics because that is not what's on the table here. We are all humans, we all did nasty stuff.

What I am trying to say, sorry if I wasn't clear enough (happens when you are not speaking your mother tongue, and uder the effect of lack of sleep) it is possible to discuss different opinions without going berserk. And we should all respect each other's opinion, even if we don't agree. Specially if people are simply asking for information. And that we don't need to imediately think an organization that is fighting for something you don't believe in is devil incarnate.


Just as a side note: I am not in favour of the ban on horse meat. I am personaly against eating it, but I love the fact that you have a choice. But I still take my stand respecting other people's opinion. I am sorry if anyone takes offense on my diplomatic view! No harm intended
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

There was a very interesting chapter in Jared Diamond´s book "guns, germs and steel" about why we do not breed animals like Elephant and Rhino as food animals and why do some animals get labeled with a ethnic or cultural taboo.

Rhino would have a lot going for it for instance, a huge mass of animal protein "output" for far less "input" (read ecological footprint) than cattle, also it would make the running of the bulls in Pamplona more interesting too IMHO.
Elephants would also produce far less climate damaging Methane than cattle, so why no Pachydermburger at Mc Donalds?

Speaking of protein sources the locust swarms of sub sahara would make great eating, if we, the west, could just get over our squeamishness of eating insects, if you like a prawn salat you would love cricket and caviar over toast.
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It is not allowed to kill them for eating, though you are allowed to eat them (not sure how that is supposed to work, though).
No, you are not allowed to sell the meat, you can certainly kill them for eating.

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