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Old 27.07.2011, 16:19
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Apparently there are certain tribes which eat monkeys---however the offspring of the eaten monkeys are then adopted as members of the family going as faras tribe women actually breast feeding these adopted monkies, after eating their parents.

Really hits the point of respecting nature, while supplying the required sustenance.
I was going to say, pictures or it didn't happen, but I realized I am not ready for human/monkey breast feeding pictures (totally sure google has some in cache...)
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Old 27.07.2011, 16:22
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I was going to say, pictures or it didn't happen, but I realized I am not ready for human/monkey breast feeding pictures (totally sure google has some in cache...)

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Old 28.07.2011, 08:16
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

I refuse to eat horse, rabbit, duck or any kind of reptile, any kind of pet, anything raw or alive (like oysters).
Horses are pets.
I completely agree that it's ridiculous, it's just cultural.
Horse meat is a very good source of lean protein and iron, nevertheless I'd feel awful eating it.
A veggie diet makes life easier.... and a little meat once in a while.
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Old 28.07.2011, 11:09
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I was going to say, pictures or it didn't happen, but I realized I am not ready for human/monkey breast feeding pictures (totally sure google has some in cache...)
I remember reading in the National Geographic as a kid that there is some tribe (maybe Amazonian, but not sure) where they breastfeed piglets - which they later eat.
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Old 28.07.2011, 12:40
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

I was weary at eating horse at first. Back home I had it once or twice as coldcuts, but arriving here and finding a lack of good beef--I find horse meat very good! Plus I hate horses, so it's a win-win situation
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Old 28.07.2011, 12:56
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Horses are pests.
There, fixed your spelling error!

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Old 28.07.2011, 14:14
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Plus I hate horses, so it's a win-win situation
I don't particularly hate horses I just eat them out of spite.
I would eat dolphin sandwiches at my office everyday if I could, just to make our teenage apprentices cry.
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Old 28.07.2011, 14:20
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I don't particularly hate horses I just eat them out of spite.
I would eat dolphin sandwiches at my office everyday if I could, just to make our teenage apprentices cry.
In eat unicorn ragout for breakfast.
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Old 28.07.2011, 14:22
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In eat unicorn ragout for breakfast.

I call BS!



Now narwhal on the other hand, is good eating!
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I don't particularly hate horses I just eat them out of spite.
I would eat dolphin sandwiches at my office everyday if I could, just to make our teenage apprentices cry.
Now I'd quite like a taste of trolls
Mind you in parts of France 'trolles' are chanterelles and delicious.

A lovely flower too, King Cup in English, Trollius in latin- and trolle en français: from Wiki:

Le trolle d'Europe (Trollius europaeus) est une espèce de plantes herbacées vivaces de la famille des Ranunculaceae.
  • Habitat : plante des prairies humides ou bois clairs de montagne.
  • Hauteur de la plante : jusqu'à 1 m.
  • Fleur : 3 à 5 cm.
  • Floraison : mai à août.
  • Altitude : jusqu'à 2800 m.
  • Répartition : Europe.
Le trolle d'Europe a la particularité d'être pollinisé par une mouche. Six espèces du genre Chiastocheta sont concernées par cette interaction mutualiste. Les mouches pondent leurs œufs qui se développent au détriment des graines, dévorées par les larves.

Plante fleurie


La plante est souvent accompagnée par des narcisses des poètes. Son rhizome est toxique (il contient des substances révulsives). La plante est légèrement vénéneuse, car contenant un alcaloïde, la proto-anémonine.
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Perhaps time for a serious response instead of simple mockery and drollery. In Geneva area the Darwyn Refuge works to save horses from the mistreatment and from ending up on somebody's plate. They often coordinate with other similarly minded groups. They could probably help you out - however, only speak French. www.refuge-de-darwyn.org. Hope this might help.
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Old 07.09.2011, 09:43
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

This site has some information about horse preservation.


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Old 07.09.2011, 12:48
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

OP - Check out this site for some animal rights organizations and activities: http://www.alagenda.ch
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Old 26.11.2011, 18:25
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This site has some information about horse preservation.
Preserved as in "vacuum sealed salami"... not different from other meat, no? (Except of the marketing potential...)

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Old 26.11.2011, 18:51
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Long thread and I am not sure if anyone answered it but what exactly is the ethical difference between consuming dog, cat, cow, horse, rabbit or pig flesh? If you eat any animal then I don't think you have any right to preach

Human hypocrisy confuses the shit out of me I tell you!
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Old 26.11.2011, 18:54
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Long thread and I am not sure if anyone answered it but what exactly is the ethical difference between consuming dog, cat, cow, horse, rabbit or pig flesh?
Indeed, ALL are tasty!

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Old 26.11.2011, 19:07
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Nothing against eating horse meat - what i do object to strongly, for any animal, are the welfare, transport and slaughtering issues. If we are going to eat meat, than let's insure they are bred with care, not transported over vast distances and slaughtered as close to the farm as possible and as quickly and painlessly as possible - horses and all. There is a disgusting trade going on with horses being exported vast distances in terrible conditions, fattened up and re-exported for slaughtering. And this should stop. 1000s of horses are exported from the UK (where nobody wants to eat them) to Italy for instance, then re-exported for slaughter in Switzerland, France, etc.
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

The following is about exports from Poland. But 1000s are exported from other East European countries like Hungary - and indeed from the UK. Same difference.

Effectiveness of EU laws
Viva!’s research shows that the EU’s Transport Directive is little more than a cynical device which allows a largely uncontrolled trade to continue without regulation, inspection or sanctions. As virtually no independent inspection is carried out throughout the entire EU, live exports are an uncontrolled free-for-all and animals crossing into the EU from Poland and other countries can expect no better welfare controls than exist in Poland. Just as Polish laws are routinely ignored, so are EU laws.

The conditions in which animals are transported demeans all those who participate in the trade and all those who allow it to happen in their name without protest. Legislators in all EU countries have quite clearly placed the profits of the livestock industry above the suffering of animals.
Conclusion
The profitability of this uncontrolled and unregulated trade is dependent upon defying the law. The implementation of Poland’s existing Animal Welfare Act would go a long way towards protecting the horses and would make the industry unprofitable. This in turn would cause an end to the live export of horses for meat.

There must be a proper implementation and enforcement of permitted journey times, strict guidelines for those operating the border controls and an immediate implementation of the EU Directive’s eight-hour maximum journey time by France.
Viva! believes that by campaigning in Poland and in the UK, a ban on this barbaric trade can and will be brought about. People of Poland do not eat horsemeat and are outraged about the horsemeat trade. The majority support a ban.


Personally I choose not to eat horse, cats, dogs, badgers, etc - but I can fully understand that this is hypocritical and illogical in many ways. But I do try and eat locally produced meat - and am proud to say that welfare standards here in CH are high- from the point of view of feed, antibiotics, etc etc and all the other issues already stated.

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Old 26.11.2011, 19:19
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

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Yes, I agree totally, I really don't understand why they need to be transported live rather than being butchered locally.

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Old 26.11.2011, 19:30
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

My recommendation would be to build slaughterhouses with glass walls in city centers. That way people can can keep an eye on the "ethical" slaughtering.

Personally for me there is no ethics in slaughter. Animals are not stupid and they know what is coming when they get lined up.
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