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Old 28.11.2011, 12:05
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Interesting thread.

It's certainly clear that we humans only eat a small fraction of what we could eat and this applies to meats, fish, seafood and fruits and vegetables. Tarantulas, worms, snakes, assorted molluscs, apes of various kinds, most quadrupeds and even humans have all ended up on the menu and presumably enjoyed with great relish by homo sapiens

Most food taboos are cultural (e.g. you eat birds that go cluck-cluck, but not birds that go caw-caw), religous and political ("I don't eat X, which makes me different/better/more favoured/blessed than he who does eat X", "I eat my enemy to show respect to him/her and acquire his/her virtues") and perhaps practical (many traditional varieties of fruit and veg are no longer grown and consumed because of low yields, difficulty in growing or not fiiting the idealised image of that fruit or veg [knobbly pears anyone?]).

I would argue that - with the exception of how animals are reared, treated and slaughtered and whether or not the animal is an endangered species - there are few if any moral dimensions to eating them (eating horse is no more "immoral" than eating beef).

What I do not like is the way people purchase meat, much of the meat that is sold nowadays is mostly sold as an anomymised slab of protein on shrink wrapped polystyrene tray. There is a disconnect between the animal supplying the meat and the consumer.

When I was a lad, beef, lamb and pork carcasses were hung up in the butcher's shop behind the counter - this not only showed the consumer from where the meat came, but it also encouraged the consumer to eat from all of the animal - not just selected bits. (on a slightly mystical note, in addition to ensuring our food animals are humanely kept, reared and slaughtered, we should also eat the entire animal from nose to tail to show our appreciation the animal's ultimate sacrifice [i.e. being killed for food])
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

There's definitely diffusion of responsibility. In my ideal world, being able to buy meat or order it in restaurants should be done with a license that you have to pass a test for once hitting adult age. The "license test" being a choice of directly participating and aiding in the hunt and subsequent cleaning of a game animal, or in the slaughtering and cleaning a farm animal. Or some variation thereof. I realize it will never happen and is wide open to abuses (one family member with a license getting it for everyone else), but I don't think the sentiment behind the idea is too bad, at least it would get people thinking.
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When I was a lad, beef, lamb and pork carcasses were hung up in the butcher's shop behind the counter - this not only showed the consumer from where the meat came, but it also encouraged the consumer to eat from all of the animal - not just selected bits. (on a slightly mystical note, in addition to ensuring our food animals are humanely kept, reared and slaughtered, we should also eat the entire animal from nose to tail to show our appreciation the animal's ultimate sacrifice [i.e. being killed for food])

I don't get this sentence. I grew up seeing those animals. I can still get the whole pig to roast, and put an apple on it's mouth, on most butchers in my home country, so I know how they look like when they die. (Apart from the fact my grandmother had a farm...)

But seeing it never gave me any reason to want to eat the whole thing. There are parts of the cow/pig/chicken/whatever 4 legged animal I will not eat - either because the taste is foul (liver), the texture is disgusting (such as tongue) or because it's mostly fat (like pork ribs).

Good thing about the meat production nowadays is I get to choose the pieces I enjoy eating, and leave the ones I dislike to someone else who will give it the proper cooking and appreciation it needs.

How is me forcing myself to eat cow tongue, which might drive me close to nausea, showing any appreciation for the cow? My way to thank the cow for dying for my plate is buying the pieces I will relish on, and leave the others to someone else that will cherish it in turn.
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Old 28.11.2011, 13:31
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Most food taboos are cultural (e.g. you eat birds that go cluck-cluck, but not birds that go caw-caw),
No, that's practical. as in most of the meat we eat is from animals that eat plants rather than animals that eat other animals. It has to do with the concentration of toxins that comes from being eaten several times over.
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But seeing it never gave me any reason to want to eat the whole thing. There are parts of the cow/pig/chicken/whatever 4 legged animal I will not eat - either because the taste is foul (liver), the texture is disgusting (such as tongue) or because it's mostly fat (like pork ribs).

Good thing about the meat production nowadays is I get to choose the pieces I enjoy eating, and leave the ones I dislike to someone else who will give it the proper cooking and appreciation it needs.
Modern methods are simply better at pacakging the stuff you wouldn't eat if you knew what it was. Ever wondered by minced meat is cheap per kg than the unminced equivalent? Ever wondered why burgers or sausages (or even Doner) are cheaper per kg than steak? They have ways of making you eat the whole animal and paying for it.
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But seeing it never gave me any reason to want to eat the whole thing. There are parts of the cow/pig/chicken/whatever 4 legged animal I will not eat - either because the taste is foul (liver), the texture is disgusting (such as tongue) or because it's mostly fat (like pork ribs).
People do have taste and texture preferences, but I believe that too much of the animal is wasted and with people (out of habit or out of not having the "funny bits" properly cooked for them) only selecting filet, loin and chops, these cuts become extremely expensive as they are not subsidised by the cheaper cuts of meat. No ones forcing you to eat liver, but what about beef cheeks or beef shanks? Neglected and inexpensive cuts of meat which taste great when properly prepared and slow cooked...

You graphically posted your distaste for offal and offcuts like ribs, but have you ever had liver, ribs or tongue properly prepared, cooked and served? I think that you may be surprised. I certainly was able to get my friend's daughter to scoff down a plate of liver and onions with sauteed spinach and have her come back for more....
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You graphically posted your distaste for offal and offcuts like ribs, but have you ever had liver, ribs or tongue properly prepared, cooked and served? I think that you may be surprised. I certainly was able to get my friend's daughter to scoff down a plate of liver and onions with sauteed spinach and have her come back for more....
I have tasted all ways of prepared "lower meat" possible and imaginable. I'm not a 3 year old screaming "I DON'T LIKE IT" before tasting. My home country might be a disaster when it comes to politics, but it's extremely rich in gastronomy. I simply don't like those parts of the animal, no matter how it was cooked - both texture & flavour.

Nowadays nothing comes to waste when an animal is butchered. All things, from sinew, skin, bones, organs, blood and meat are used one way or another, though not necessarily in food form.

As a simple example, those parts not consumed by humans, will probably end up as dog/cat food. The skin will probably end up as my sofa, and the bones as my cake gelatine.


And to amogles: there is a reason why I don't eat döner and sausages, and mince the meat at home to make my own burgers. I know what goes inside. Once I read on a sausage package "At least 20% real meat", my business with the sausage packing industry was done for.
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Re: Organization that works against the sale of horses as meat?

Sorry OP, I have no links for what you are asking, and I am not sure such organization even exists in Switzerland.

However, along the lines of what some EFers posted, I have a good link passed on by a friend for an organization that works to promote better treatment of animals and animal welfare, which might be of interest:

http://www.animal-protection.net/welcome.html

Out of curiosity, in my family, we never purchased horse meat because my dad's family breeds horses and he always refused to eat it. Also, no donkeys, because in the hills of Sardinia where he is from, donkeys are work aids and used by shepherds and farmers in their work. Likewise, we never cooked/ate rabbit because we had pet rabbits and my mom refused to eat any rabbits.

I generally eat everything and I'll try anything once. I don't eat morcilla (blood sausage) and brains - of any animal. Unfortunately, although I really like them, I don't generally eat oysters because they make me sick - being a foodie, I will occasionally splurge and eat a bucket-full, knowing (and planning) in advance that I will be sick. Crazy, but the price for tasty food...

Call me an insensitive brat, but I don't discriminate against any kinds of animals: cows, pigs, goats, fish, seafood, eels, horses, chocolate-covered cockroaches, foie gras, veal, snakes, kangaroos...bring them on, I'll eat them.
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I draw the line on the "looks like a C'thulhu spore"...



Any other fish is doomed to extinction on my plate.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that works for the involuntary euthanasia of people who want to interfere with my life and dictate what I can or cannot eat?
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Does anyone know of an organisation that works for the involuntary euthanasia of people who want to interfere with my life and dictate what I can or cannot eat?
Sure their office is right next to the organization that works for the involuntary euthanasia of people who want to interfere with the life of animals and try to dictate if the animal lives or dies I am the head of the organization so do pay me a visit when you are in the area and I will sort you out. We make on the spot will for our clients too
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Interesting thread.

It's certainly clear that we humans only eat a small fraction of what we could eat and this applies to meats, fish, seafood and fruits and vegetables. Tarantulas, worms, snakes, assorted molluscs, apes of various kinds, most quadrupeds and even humans have all ended up on the menu and presumably enjoyed with great relish by homo sapiens

Most food taboos are cultural (e.g. you eat birds that go cluck-cluck, but not birds that go caw-caw), religous and political ("I don't eat X, which makes me different/better/more favoured/blessed than he who does eat X", "I eat my enemy to show respect to him/her and acquire his/her virtues") and perhaps practical (many traditional varieties of fruit and veg are no longer grown and consumed because of low yields, difficulty in growing or not fiiting the idealised image of that fruit or veg [knobbly pears anyone?]).

I would argue that - with the exception of how animals are reared, treated and slaughtered and whether or not the animal is an endangered species - there are few if any moral dimensions to eating them (eating horse is no more "immoral" than eating beef).

What I do not like is the way people purchase meat, much of the meat that is sold nowadays is mostly sold as an anomymised slab of protein on shrink wrapped polystyrene tray. There is a disconnect between the animal supplying the meat and the consumer.

When I was a lad, beef, lamb and pork carcasses were hung up in the butcher's shop behind the counter - this not only showed the consumer from where the meat came, but it also encouraged the consumer to eat from all of the animal - not just selected bits. (on a slightly mystical note, in addition to ensuring our food animals are humanely kept, reared and slaughtered, we should also eat the entire animal from nose to tail to show our appreciation the animal's ultimate sacrifice [i.e. being killed for food])
Butchers, I mean those in butcheries and not those in slaughterhouses, purchased those carcasses from the slaughterhouse and divided the stuff themselves. And as in the 50ies, many households either had no fridge or only a very small one, people liked to get the meat they needed the morning before they wanted to have it on the table
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I draw the line on the "looks like a C'thulhu spore"...



Any other fish is doomed to extinction on my plate.
Had that once in Lisbon, NEVER again! (apparantly, they LOVE them there, blech!)

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