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Old 15.08.2011, 04:35
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I'd disagree with this. The UK has whole areas where English is not spoken in favour of many Asian languages. Official literature is printed up accordingly and local offices are employing people who are native speakers of these other languages. The languages are not "official" languages of the UK but are widely spoken.

I would say this is also true in the US - many people live there that only speak Spanish and much official literature and services are geared up to cope with this.
That's true in the US many police speak Spanish, as in many areas the population is predominantly Spanish as a first language. I used to speak very basic Punjabi and Hindi in the UK, (forgotten it now) but very few UK police speak it. The Sikh police did request bullet -proof turbans but didn't get as far as I know.
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Old 15.08.2011, 04:46
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That's true in the US many police speak Spanish, as in many areas the population is predominantly Spanish as a first language. I used to speak very basic Punjabi and Hindi in the UK, (forgotten it now) but very few UK police speak it. The Sikh police did request bullet -proof turbans but didn't get as far as I know.
I've had heard about this before. That's really an extra service provided by the government. Things like this should be practised in other countries as well.(mostly in Switzerland, where number of people migrates for different purpose)
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Back to the UK, Your statement implies that the folks in question are unable to speak English. But somebody who rather speaks Urdu or Hindi inside the UK possibly speaks English fairly well.
There's more than you think. I was watching a news report a while ago about community relations / integration and how hard it was due to the lack of English in some areas. Many women come to the country as part of arranged marriages; they never mix with the wider population of the UK, they aren't schooled here, they are restricted to a limited circle of people from their same background, culture and language and often don't speak a word of English.

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Old 15.08.2011, 10:11
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There's more than you think. I was watching a news report a while ago about community relations / integration and how hard it was due to the lack of English in some areas. Many women come to the country as part of arranged marriages; they never mix with the wider population of the UK, they aren't schooled here, they are restricted to a limited circle of people from their same background, culture and language and often don't speak a word of English.

If the police / hospitals ever have to deal with domestic violence issues (which were reported as above average in many areas) the communication is mostly done via the English speaking males in the family who often negate the reason for a translator for the wife.
I like how you went from arranged marriages, to segregation in society, to husbands domestically abusing their spouses all in one post.

I'm sure the police would allow the husband, presumably the abuser, to translate for the wife that he abused.
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I like how you went from arranged marriages, to segregation in society, to husbands domestically abusing their spouses all in one post.

I'm sure the police would allow the husband, presumably the abuser, to translate for the wife that he abused.
Bugger. Sorry about that - remembered the documentary which was about domestic abuse but the relevant bit was in response to Wolli's post that people living in the UK with no English don't exist.

A case of TMI from me.
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Old 15.08.2011, 11:01
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That's true in the US many police speak Spanish, as in many areas the population is predominantly Spanish as a first language. I used to speak very basic Punjabi and Hindi in the UK, (forgotten it now) but very few UK police speak it. The Sikh police did request bullet -proof turbans but didn't get as far as I know.
The US does NOT have an official language. The various States MAY have (an)official language(s), however, many do not.

In some states it varies county to county. In function, however, some areas are functionally bi/trilingual. Dade County, Florida, for example, publishes election ballots in English, Spanish, and Haitian Creole.
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I've had heard about this before. That's really an extra service provided by the government. Things like this should be practised in other countries as well.(mostly in Switzerland, where number of people migrates for different purpose)
As many policemen in those areas of the USA are native Spanish-speakers it is obvious.

Many Zürich policemen are native Italian speakers and so speak Italian also
(beside some basic command of French and English being a condition to become a policeman)

Whether they in case of doubt pretend NOT to do so is another question

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Old 15.08.2011, 11:23
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The US does NOT have an official language. The various States MAY have (an)official language(s), however, many do not.

In some states it varies county to county. In function, however, some areas are functionally bi/trilingual. Dade County, Florida, for example, publishes election ballots in English, Spanish, and Haitian Creole.
Here in Switzerland, the Cantons of Glarus, Appenzell (AI+AR), St. Gallen, Thurgau, Schaffhausen, Zürich, Zug, Luzern, Uri, Schwyz, Unterwalden (OW+NW), Aarau, Solothurn, Bern, Basel have German as official language, Fribourg/Freiburg, Bern and Valais/Wallis have German&French, while Jura, Neuchâtel, Vaud and Geneva have only French, Ticino only Italian as official language. Graubünden has German, Romansh and Italian as official languages. Police in Zurich has (upon appointment) translators at hand for Portuguese, Spanish, Croation, Albanian, Greek, Turkish, Arabic, Tamil ... in order to bridge the gap.
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Old 15.08.2011, 11:34
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Police in Zurich has (upon appointment) translators at hand for Portuguese, Spanish, Croation, Albanian, Greek, Turkish, Arabic, Tamil ... in order to bridge the gap.
If only they'd get one for English; EF would be a little quieter.

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Old 15.08.2011, 21:44
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If only they'd get one for English; EF would be a little quieter.
They have hundreds of that, but quite obviously thousands of stubborn, authoritarian, and arrogant buggers, exactly the kind of "Tschugger" we all like so much

I mean, what to think of people who had, before joining the police-force, in their professional education 3 to 5 English lessons per week, and then pretend not to speak the language. True, you forget a lot of language skills, but not everything.

The translators I mentioned above are NOT policemen but freelancers who at times work for the police on temporary assignments.

But back again, the scandal in my view is not existing or missing linguistic skills, it is that persons who DO speak French and English at least to some extent, pretend not to understand anything.
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Well to be a police officer you don't need much education-it's an end of the road job!
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Im amazed that you expect Swiss police officers to speak English. Regardless, if it's the universal language.
Being a universal language doesnt mean everyone in the world speaks English.
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Well to be a police officer you don't need much education-it's an end of the road job!
Minimum requirement set by the Canton of Zurich for becoming a policeman is a finished apprenticeship, and this means straight and simple some basic command of French and English.
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Minimum requirement set by the Canton of Zurich for becoming a policeman is a finished apprenticeship, and this means straight and simple some basic command of French and English.
True, but there is a difference between sitting through classes and actually speaking the language. Some of the apprentices I worked with could barely string together the simplest of sentences.

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"Being a universal language doesnt mean everyone in the world speaks English."

But what exactly DOES it mean then?
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"Being a universal language doesnt mean everyone in the world speaks English."

But what exactly DOES it mean then?
what makes it universal?

is there an international law that everybody in the universe should speak it?

or is it just a language that a lot of people on one particular planet happen to be able to butcher to some degree?
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True, but there is a difference between sitting through classes and actually speaking the language. Some of the apprentices I worked with could barely string together the simplest of sentences.
Unfortunately correct of course, but as you say "some of the ....." but not 95% of .... . And as I over the years have heard many ZH policemen speaking English acceptably well up to really well, I know that a good deal of the force is, or would be, able to communicate in E+F, but simply are either too arrogant or too lazy or lack civil courage. And THIS is the bad thing.
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what makes it universal?

is there an international law that everybody in the universe should speak it?

or is it just a language that a lot of people on one particular planet happen to be able to butcher to some degree?
I was merely observing the funny contradiction in that post. Claiming English is "universal" means by definition it's spoken by everyone, so it's therefore funny to say "doesnt mean everyone in the world speaks English".
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