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Old 12.08.2011, 18:34
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Re: Switzerland, The Liberal Utopia

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Liberals = socialists in the US.
Troof, used to be communist, pinko, etc., a label to place on anything you disagree with in condemnation, and automatically sentence to death and eradication, such as Barack Obama. Used in the religious sense, it is one and the same with the devil, Lucifer, Barack Obama and the Peanut Farmer.

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I have no idea where are people getting this ridiculous idea, I though the Netherlands was seen that way not CH!
Americans tend to generalize all of Europe as being liberal -- like California. They don't realize that there are actual differences country to country.
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I think liberal might have a different meaning inside the US than outside. Hence the confusion.

Liberals = socialists in the US. But in the US, socialism is considered such a bad thing, no one (or very few) really uses that term to define their politics. Liberal in Europe has the more traditional meaning which is closer to American libertarianism in many ways.
It's not as simple as that. In the US, you can be socially 'liberal' and fiscally 'conservative' and still be labelled a 'filthy socialist/liberal' by certain segments of the conservative community (i.e. former Republicans who now wear the 'independent' label and claim to hate all politicians regardless of party but will in all likelihood vote Republican anyway).
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Now I'm confused (I get that a lot, I'm Dutch); I thought it was a Libertarian utopia, where every gun totin' rascal could fire away and never pay tax again.....

what changed?
This was how I read the title before the first double take.
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Old 13.08.2011, 17:53
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And remember - the clue is in the question - "Switzerland, The BLANK Utopia"

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So no Chequebook And Pen for you, I'm afraid
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So, hauling the thread a-kickin and a-screamin back to some semblence of being remotely on-topic:

Given the (sometimes-rather-harsh) realities of coming to, staying in and generally maintaining one's sanity in dear, sweet CH - where are all these notions of woolly liberalism and unconstrained idyll coming from?

In contrast, long before I washed up on CH's shores, I knew already the awe-inspiring reputation of "Swiss Bureaucracy", and knew that that translated to "Tight Ship" rather than "Laissez Faire". I wasn't surprised or disappointed on arrival, it all seemed pretty much as one would expect from a country whose key defining characteristic (or at least, that I was aware of) was and is paper-pushing.

So where are people really getting all these liberal, no-tax, Dodge City, anything-goes fantasy notions from?
Bankers and high up corporate behaviour get translated into terms that are more understandable to lay people. Afterall most of us don't have numbered Swiss accounts and tax shelters but the uber wealthy like Switzerland so there must be a reason and we all like the warm fuzzy stuff so literature and media give us these things to consume. Eventually we begin to believe it is fact for everyone.

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Old 13.08.2011, 22:01
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Re: Switzerland, The Liberal Utopia

I'm half-crocked on a bottle of cheap german wine at this point, but I would like to point out here that 'libertarian' is largely defined as minimal-government which, by definition, doesn't include CH. Switzerland is like the US 50 years ago with a touch of public healthcare added in just to fit in with the EU. Otherwise, Switzerland really isn't all that much different from a Reagan-era utopia state with a few bonuses added on for fun.

And liberals in the US..*eyeroll*...basically liberals are boomers who want everything but don't want to pay for it. These are folks with a sense of entitlement but, again, think everyone should shoulder the cost. I used to think of myself as a democrat in the US, but after years of living elsewhere....not sure where I fall on the spectrum, especially now that things are changing wrt retirement and healthcare.

But, just to be clear, Switzerland ain't New Hampshire, it's more like MD with an extra VAT and sucky groceries.
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