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Hi everybody, hope this is the right forum to ask for some advice and help.

We are experiencing real nightmare with our bis a bis neighbour. He littleraly attack my husband the other day. Is a long story but I can ensure you we did not encourage him to have this kind of aggressive behaviour. He also have had problems with other neighbours but not at this level!! We finished our day between hospitals and police station. But here in Switzerland, police action is not proactive is reactive, so they can not help us. They can not protect us. We can not force this person to stop his insults or aggressive behaviour. Is like , until he doesn't really hurt one of us badly, it seems he can go away with it. We have people that saw what happen, and ever so....police said , maximum he will have to pay some penalty.
We are thinking to contact a lawyer a "a very good one" that can really tell us what to do , when to do it, and how to use the law in the best way for us.
I was hopping here might be someone that can help us. Maybe somebody have had a similar situation and have a good lawyer to recommend. We don't know what else to do, we are frustrated.
Thanks for your help
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Old 13.08.2011, 18:24
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Post his address here.
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Old 13.08.2011, 19:03
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

What previous interactions have you had with this person? Did your husband do or say anything to this person before the attack? You should provide some context here...

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Hi everybody, hope this is the right forum to ask for some advice and help.

We are experiencing real nightmare with our bis a bis neighbour. He littleraly attack my husband the other day. Is a long story but I can ensure you we did not encourage him to have this kind of aggressive behaviour. He also have had problems with other neighbours but not at this level!! We finished our day between hospitals and police station. But here in Switzerland, police action is not proactive is reactive, so they can not help us. They can not protect us. We can not force this person to stop his insults or aggressive behaviour. Is like , until he doesn't really hurt one of us badly, it seems he can go away with it. We have people that saw what happen, and ever so....police said , maximum he will have to pay some penalty.
We are thinking to contact a lawyer a "a very good one" that can really tell us what to do , when to do it, and how to use the law in the best way for us.
I was hopping here might be someone that can help us. Maybe somebody have had a similar situation and have a good lawyer to recommend. We don't know what else to do, we are frustrated.
Thanks for your help
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Move. It's the only thing you can do.
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If the attack was bad enough to warrant a hospital visit, surely it was enough for a "reactive" police force to take action. What gives?
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

I had a similar experience, was attacked by a mad woman, luckerly she didnt really hurt me but was a very unpleasant experience, either way I called the police and the police were unhelp to say the least and entirely believed her story and not mine despite me being the person that had the complaint and called them in the first place. I get the impression that the police tend to side with the Swiss citizens when it comes tio these types of disputes.
As minimia said the best thing to do is move
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

talk to your landlord/rental agency. if your neighbour has had other altercations with people in the building, chances are, this being the Swiss way, they have letters of complaint already and either 1) need more or 2) don't care. If it's #2 and they don't care then you have a chance of getting out of your lease easier than normally and you CAN move, otherwise that solution presents some challenges and isn't the easiest thing. Be sure to send along a copy of the police report if you have one to show that this is a serious complaint.
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

This person have been having problems with other neighbours. He is renting the house, we are just new owners!!!! I do not want to move!!
The police have a report an it is going to court. BUT as I said , maximum he might have to pay a penalty. He was not encourage by us to have a fight for sure!! We spoke with the owner of the house he rents and he is only interested in getting his money, at the moment.

The police know him and have many complains, still he is there.

Now what I am looking is a lawyer or an option, an idea. We know this is difficult to resolve but I was thinking maybe other persons in here have similar experiences and have suggestions. Of course we can not do more that what is legal. We are searching for a proactive and reactive lawyer that make law work better, faster !

Thanks for your help.
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Post his address here.

I am not sure I can do that legally. Or give his name, etc. I would be happy to put his photo here and all the info I have from the police, etc. but it might go against us BY LAW. I will ask the police next week when I going to do my declaration.
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Now what I am looking is a lawyer or an option, an idea. We know this is difficult to resolve but I was thinking maybe other persons in here have similar experiences and have suggestions. Of course we can not do more that what is legal. We are searching for a proactive and reactive lawyer that make law work better, faster !

Thanks for your help.
Search for "lawyer zurich" in the top right hand corner. You'll see 11 similar threads and hopefully get some recommendations for a lawyer
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

If it is going to court already then you have won. He will be fined, and he will no longer bother you. If he does, report it again so that more evidence can be presented to the court. You do not need to do anything else.

Just avoid this person from here on in.
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

Hi,

I hope you find a lawyer - which was the original question.

I can recommend Gabrielle Grether in Basel - http://www.gmacg.com who speaks English well.

I have no idea if the concept exists in Swiss law, but it sounds like a court injunction on your neighbour is needed - failure to adhere to the terms of which would render him liable to jail time.

Cheers,
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Hi everybody, hope this is the right forum to ask for some advice and help.

We are experiencing real nightmare with our bis a bis neighbour. He littleraly attack my husband the other day. Is a long story but I can ensure you we did not encourage him to have this kind of aggressive behaviour. He also have had problems with other neighbours but not at this level!! We finished our day between hospitals and police station. But here in Switzerland, police action is not proactive is reactive, so they can not help us. They can not protect us. We can not force this person to stop his insults or aggressive behaviour. Is like , until he doesn't really hurt one of us badly, it seems he can go away with it. We have people that saw what happen, and ever so....police said , maximum he will have to pay some penalty.
We are thinking to contact a lawyer a "a very good one" that can really tell us what to do , when to do it, and how to use the law in the best way for us.
I was hopping here might be someone that can help us. Maybe somebody have had a similar situation and have a good lawyer to recommend. We don't know what else to do, we are frustrated.
Thanks for your help
Write a letter to the house-administration, giving exact details

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I had a similar experience, was attacked by a mad woman, luckerly she didnt really hurt me but was a very unpleasant experience, either way I called the police and the police were unhelp to say the least and entirely believed her story and not mine despite me being the person that had the complaint and called them in the first place. I get the impression that the police tend to side with the Swiss citizens when it comes tio these types of disputes.
As minimia said the best thing to do is move
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This person have been having problems with other neighbours. He is renting the house, we are just new owners!!!! I do not want to move!!
The police have a report an it is going to court. BUT as I said , maximum he might have to pay a penalty. He was not encourage by us to have a fight for sure!! We spoke with the owner of the house he rents and he is only interested in getting his money, at the moment.

The police know him and have many complains, still he is there.

Now what I am looking is a lawyer or an option, an idea. We know this is difficult to resolve but I was thinking maybe other persons in here have similar experiences and have suggestions. Of course we can not do more that what is legal. We are searching for a proactive and reactive lawyer that make law work better, faster !

Thanks for your help.
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

Don't move, face the problem head-on.

I have a little trick of mine when in these situations, you need:
  • a half litre plastic bottle
  • petrol
  • matches

..you'll have to work out the rest, but very effective.

Sorry, I forgot, a video camera too.
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

Do you have any idea why he is angry? Can you communicate with him?
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If it is going to court already then you have won. He will be fined, and he will no longer bother you. If he does, report it again so that more evidence can be presented to the court. You do not need to do anything else.

Just avoid this person from here on in.
That is good, then he will have a criminal record. Hopefully this will be a good warning for him but if there is a next time then he will get a worse penalty.
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Hi,

I hope you find a lawyer - which was the original question.

I can recommend Gabrielle Grether in Basel - http://www.gmacg.com who speaks English well.

I have no idea if the concept exists in Swiss law, but it sounds like a court injunction on your neighbour is needed - failure to adhere to the terms of which would render him liable to jail time.

Cheers,
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This is finances adviser. Thanks a lot but we need a lawyer specialised in these kind of problems.
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Re: Aggressive neighbour

Something that always has good results: you are an owner, have a closed circuit camera installed including a view of your door, after getting the approval of the buildings administration. "For security reasons", you could declare, and they would be probably grateful about that.
This will intimidate the gorilla enough to hold himself.
This solved the problem with an acquaintance being harassed anonimously at night in his own property. Be sure to install the camera out of reach. It can even be a dummy camera, but systems are cheap, you can get one in internet and install it yourself to your laptop at home.

Yes, swiss police tend generally to line up with the swiss whenever they smell something foreing. But using fluent german and standing to your rights plays for sure a role.
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That is good, then he will have a criminal record. Hopefully this will be a good warning for him but if there is a next time then he will get a worse penalty.
You don't get a criminal record that easily, fine needs to be over 5,000 chf. If he is on benefits his fine will be very low.....
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Sounds likes a scary situation to be in. While you figure out the legal way to handle this, do install a video camera as suggested --- AND BUY SOME PEPPER SPRAY!
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