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Old 15.08.2011, 15:59
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

If someone does make it into your apartment, what are your rights as to self defence.

Hitting an intruder with a baseball bat, is this going to get me put in jail or fined?

In the UK an old workmate of mine went to his kitchen one night to find two men trying to break into his house. He stood behind the door and when they inevitably forced through the door he assaulted them. The court said he was in the wrong as he waited for them to enter the house rather than shout and scare them away. I can understand why this vigilante attitude is against the law, but I'm guessing shouting at them would only scare them away for a few days. Breaking one of the intruders jaw and the others' arm is probably a better deterrent. He was then fined for doing just that.
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Old 15.08.2011, 16:00
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I got plain and simple guns and ammo at home... but wouldn't be any good. Ammo is locked away so would need to find key first, tear open packages, in panick all bullets fall on floor rolling everywhere etc etc

How about a kitchen knife ? Or in my case I could paralize them from laughter by appearing in front of them naked
I'm afraid of guns. Could I just throw the bullets at them?
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Old 15.08.2011, 16:00
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

well I've been told by those in the know, that if someone tries to break into your place, or you find someone in your house, then you shouldn't shout help, police blah blah blah, you should shout FIRE!!

people will ignore or hide with everything else, but fire gets there arses into gear
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I concur and this is probably what I would do. I am afraid of something like this happening.
I suspect that someone shouting from her window/balcony in a residential district in Switzerland wouldn't be ignored, even if only to get her to quieten down.


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They'd make me more nervous - another potential entry point for the nasty people.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Mobile telephone - the right phrase in french/german/italian/local language of choice* and the telephone number of the police?
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Old 15.08.2011, 16:02
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

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Running away and screaming is almost always the best thing to do when threatened by a criminal.
Having whistle on you is also good. Kazoo won't work, but good ol whistle. It shocks and the attacker has zero idea for the innitial few secs what the noise is.
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Breaking one of the intruders jaw and the others' arm is probably a better deterrent. He was then fined for doing just that.
He got off lucky.

If I'd hospitalised a couple of criminals, I'd move a very long way away, very quickly.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

forget bats etc etc a big maglight is better, you could get in trouble using to bat to well... batter someone as it shows pre -meditation , but using a torch to look around at night in your apartment......
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some form of martial art if you are expecting something to reach or experience that stage of confrontation.

my 2 choices would be wing chun or krav maga, both are aimed at brutal and efficient means of counter attacks.

A friend teaches wing chun at a slightly accelerated pace but it is easily followed and practiced at home alone.

Another frind attends a krav maga school and that is also a tried and tested defence system.

Do not have a weapon handy unless you know exactly how to use it, or it will end up being used on you!

Pro active is far better than reactive, eg dont leave windows/doors open, fit a security chain and a wide door viewer, do not allow someone in the building unless you know them etc...

all common sense.
My front door is never unlocked. At night the windows are only ever left open locked with a crack open at the top. We have a peep hole in the door and if I don't recognise the person I don't let them in the building. Our neighbours however don't seem to be as security conscious and let everyone in. I've had quite a number of people ring the doorbell having been let into the building by others or because the lobby door is open.

Self defence classes sound like a good idea, I'll look into them.
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Old 15.08.2011, 16:05
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Most of it's mental preparation. When you think of an intruder, you automatically think of worst case scenarios: rape, murder, armed robbery at the very least. You don't think of the much more common scenario: a burglar who didn't even know you were in the house and is now probably panicked, struggling to make a getaway with whatever he has already grabbed, and just hoping you won't get a good enough look to identify him.

Keep in mind you are on your home turf. You know where all the light switches and the door knobs (yes, and the frying pans ) are in your house. An intruder will be groping around in the dark, at least initially. That is a slight advantage to you. Your objective is also simpler than a burglar's (again, theft is by far the most common purpose for home intrusion.) You don't have to run around, assess what is worth taking and stuff it in your bag, carry heavy stuff down the stairs etc. All you have to do is to get out of the flat yourself and call police.


In terms of practical measures: I keep all bedroom doors closed at night, including empty rooms. No point helping anybody to orientate himself or guess where the valuables are. I also don't keep valuables in the master bedroom as that is both the first place anybody would look and the last place I would want to surprise them.

...and that's about it really. Yeah, I know where the kitchen knives are and (depending on the intruder's location) I might cross the hallway to get one of those - just as insurance. I don't sleep with one under my pillow though. My primary objective would be to get out, through the front door. I don't really care if Mr. Burglar sees or hears me, (in fact it's probably better if he does, might scare him off) so no sneaking around or ambushing people with frying pans. All I want is out (unless he's out first in which case I'll stay in, thanks very much) and I'll call the police from a neighbor's.

When you've got kids in the house of course it's a whole different story. Any contingency plans you have should be thoroughly discussed and periodically re-evaluated as children grow. It's not a bad idea to have reciprocal 'escape' plans with a neighbor. "If there's ever trouble and I yell RUN, you run to Frau Lagler's house, and wait for me there." The idea is that every member of Mrs. Lagler's household knows to open the door to yours without asking questions, and vice versa.
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Old 15.08.2011, 16:09
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My front door is never unlocked. At night the windows are only ever left open locked with a crack open at the top. We have a peep hole in the door and if I don't recognise the person I don't let them in the building. Our neighbours however don't seem to be as security conscious and let everyone in. I've had quite a number of people ring the doorbell having been let into the building by others or because the lobby door is open.

Self defence classes sound like a good idea, I'll look into them.
Put a laminated sign on the door, keep shut for safety, why help robbers..Or, shut it, if somebody else kept it open. Too bad if they ran out for papers, still invites criminals and says, this house has open door policy.
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I know where the kitchen knives are and (depending on the intruder's location) I might cross the hallway to get one of those - just as insurance.

is there anything you want to tell us??

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forget bats etc etc a big maglight is better, you could get in trouble using to bat to well... batter someone as it shows pre -meditation , but using a torch to look around at night in your apartment......
This is why my dad has one next to his bed. He read that someone got sued by the thief and charged by the police for using a bat...

I think I'll just do all I can to prevent it. Keep my mobile next to my bed... and then hide under the bed and let them take what they want unless they attempt to attack me, at what point I reserve the right to yell bloody murder and use frypans
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If someone does make it into your apartment, what are your rights as to self defense. Hitting an intruder with a baseball bat, is this going to get me put in jail or fined?
You are allowed to use minimal force.

Shouting "Go away" is about the minimum, followed by flushing the toilet and using the washing machine. These will all bring the neighbours running to your door.
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My front door is never unlocked. At night the windows are only ever left open locked with a crack open at the top. We have a peep hole in the door and if I don't recognise the person I don't let them in the building. Our neighbours however don't seem to be as security conscious and let everyone in. I've had quite a number of people ring the doorbell having been let into the building by others or because the lobby door is open.

Self defence classes sound like a good idea, I'll look into them.

yes exactly... i dont leave the balcony door open at night or when i am out, im on the 3rd floor but doesnt stop anyone climbing round the partition.

regarding door security I had to put some posters up recently in my area, i went to 20 blocks and just pushed every door bell button, every time i was let in without question and no one ever came to see who was in the building.
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You are allowed to use minimal force.

Shouting "Go away" is about the minimum, followed by flushing the toilet and using the washing machine. These will all bring the neighbours running to your door.
This only works after 10pm. It is better to move your car to the guests parking place to alert your neighbours that something is seriously wrong.
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i have one of these:

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unless they attempt to attack me, at what point I reserve the right to yell bloody murder and use frypans
I'm counting on my neighbours and thin walls - screaming at the top of my lungs should wake the whole building up.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

bye mistake i had this experience a couple of times in my live.
it never happens something.
i even meet some nice persons of the same building over that.

i grow up with unlocked doors.............and i still let them open.
thats ch how i knows it
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bye mistake i had this experience a couple of times in my live.
it never happens something.
i even meet some nice persons of the same building over that.

i grow up with unlocked doors.............and i still let them open.
thats ch how i knows it
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