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My front door is never unlocked. At night the windows are only ever left open locked with a crack open at the top. We have a peep hole in the door and if I don't recognise the person I don't let them in the building. Our neighbours however don't seem to be as security conscious and let everyone in. I've had quite a number of people ring the doorbell having been let into the building by others or because the lobby door is open.

Self defence classes sound like a good idea, I'll look into them.
That's something I've noticed too, in apartment blocks in Lausanne, idiots just letting absolutely anyone in without bothering to check who they are or where they're going.
Maybe we're in the same block nic80
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I was once burgled while I was sleeping! The dude or dudette actually came into my room, took the laptop from under my bed, went through all my drawers, packed one of MY bag with all MY stuff and went away! Next morning I wake up and find my room kinda empty

And I slept through it all... so I don't think any of the safety measures would help me :P (like keeping a baseball...well cricket bat etc)

Happened in York though
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Alone at home, a few years ago now, with my son 18 months old at the time, asleep, I heard my front door open and immediately went out into the hall to see what was going on. I found an elderly man walking towards me down the hallway, and hot on his heels, a younger man in his 20s. I just went into auto pilot and said something or other in German along the lines of "Oi, what do you think you are doing?" Got hold of the old man by the elbow and escorted him firmly down the hall and out the door, forcing the younger man to back out of the door way without having time to turn round.. I then, without a word, walked them out the garden gate, clicked the child lock back on, then calmly walked back into the house and locked the front door.

Went into the living room, whilst my son contiune to sleep, and started to shake quite badly, rang my husband in bits as I suddenly realized how scared I was.. horrible experience, anything could've happened.

Anyhow, not a good idea to leave your front door unlocked, always check it - haven't left it unlocked since
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My front door is never unlocked. At night the windows are only ever left open locked with a crack open at the top. We have a peep hole in the door and if I don't recognise the person I don't let them in the building. Our neighbours however don't seem to be as security conscious and let everyone in. I've had quite a number of people ring the doorbell having been let into the building by others or because the lobby door is open.

Self defence classes sound like a good idea, I'll look into them.
I live on the third floor too and the people from the two offices downstairs my building tend to leave the door open during the day for their clients to come in without having to buzz them in. Lazy gits.

A note on the front door of the building did the trick although they sometimes still forget. Why not try posting a note at the door gently reminding people to close it?

If it doesnt work, keeping your front door locked is the best thing you can do. I know this is Switzerland and many people dont do that - I am quite horrified to learn of that actually. Keep doors locked at all times and seek permission from your landlord to install a door chain. Also be extra conscious/alert when you are coming home, making sure that no one is following you. A habit of mine when the train is approaching home is to rummage my bag for keys, hold them individually between my fingers whilst walking home and to take off my headphones.

I hate it when hubby is away for business and I have to bring my dog out for his last wee-run of the night before I go to bed. Quite eerie and my dog's bark is really worse than his non-existent bite
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Old 15.08.2011, 18:59
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

When I first arrived here a colleague who had the apartment key for me had forgotten which apartment it was. So we just went to a few doors (about 5) and tried to unlock them. The (swiss) people who opened the doors were all smiling and none looked alarmed by the fact that someone was just jiggling some keys inside their lock. So maybe swiss are more relaxed about this kind of thing?!
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Similar thing happened to me in Twickenham. A colleague had given me his key so I my brother could stay in in terrassed house whilst he was away. We got back at about 1 am and I just couldn't remember which house it was- as you well know they are all the same. We were trying the key in lots of doors. In the end we went to the Police, they looked up his name and told us the address Don't think that would happen now.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I usually attempt prevention and hope not to have to defend myself...

I do this by leaving the radio on if I'm out, a light in a strategic location - which makes the house look lit from as many windows as possible - and I would leave some muddy shoes on the front door step - or an open umbrella to deter any burglars.
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Old 16.08.2011, 08:51
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Me too! Are you in Geneva by any chance?
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Keep a peper spray at home!
It also doesn't harm to register for some self-defense courses. I am a martial art champion, but still it's not easy to fight an armed person breaking into your house.
It's not very likely to happen in Switzerland though, but for instance last year we almost had someone breaking into our flat. If I were a few minutes later at home, I might have faced an ugly situation :-S he ran away when he saw me, since he didn't get the chance to break in yet!
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Funny I was discussing this with my colleagues the other day, it seems if you want to carry pepperspray you need a permit (it would not surprise me), at least that is what my Swiss colleague told me.
We also talked about taking self defense classes, just wonder how effective they could be specially since we are women...
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

can be very effective - you dont need to be muscular or strong, but TBH prevention is better than cure.

If someone is going to the hassle of smashing into your home then they are serious and the chances of that happening are minute, its the opportunists that are the issue, simple things such as locking doors or closing windows , locking bikes etc to something stops that.

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Funny I was discussing this with my colleagues the other day, it seems if you want to carry pepperspray you need a permit (it would not surprise me), at least that is what my Swiss colleague told me.
We also talked about taking self defense classes, just wonder how effective they could be specially since we are women...
It's not totally right:

Apparently it depends on the chemicals used inside.

Otherwise it's perfectly legal and they provided the "legal background":

http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/chemi...x.html?lang=en (it will be in german, google translate it).

And
http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/chemi..._JjKbNoKSn6A--
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I used to own a gun back in the US. I always kept it locked, and kept the key in a completely different room. I figured, if ever a time came that I actually needed to use the gun, I wouldn't have time to get the key and then unluck the gun and then shoot the bastard fast enough.

So then I started keeping the gun unlocked. But that made me fearful that if there was an intruder, he or she could shoot me with my own gun!

So I sold it.
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Self defense classes are (or can be) good for mental preparedness. Sometimes you need an authoritative voice reminding you that IT'S OK to listen to your gut, not to worry about embarrassing yourself if it's a false alarm.

They typically also make you walk through lots of situations. What do you do if someone is following you? What's the worst thing you can do? What do you do if someone pulls a knife? And it's all well and good saying "sensitive bits are the eyes and groin, go for one of those" but how do you do that if your attacker is behind you? Taller than you? If you've tried various strikes in role play, even a couple of times, you'll have a better sense of what you can do from a given position, as well as being more mentally prepared to actually do it.

It's like having a fire escape plan for the house. You discuss all the possibilities in advance (what if the fire is in the kitchen? what if it's in the stairwell? do we jump off the balcony? can we jump off the balcony?) so that if it ever does happen you can respond correctly and not waste precious time dithering.

Admittedly I've heard some mighty silly stuff in some of those classes too. "If you go jogging at night don't wear a ponytail, it's too easy to grab." Riiight, because if I have my hair down Mr. Nasty Rapist is going to be all, "nope, can't grab her, gotta wait for the next one." Sure he is.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Prevention, in German, you can amuse yourself with the pics if you can't read the text:

http://www.hausinfo.ch/etc/medialib/...bei_mir_de.pdf

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http://www.ch.ch/gefahren/02014/0208...xhbmc9cm0iO30=

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http://www.hausinfo.ch/home/fr/assur...ffraction.html
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

First line of defensive - preventative

Second line of defense - lock yourself in a room and call the police

Third line of defense - don't be a hero, your medal might be posthumous
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I've said this before (and been groaned at lots for it too) but learning martial arts will (generally) do you no good at all, if anything it will give you a false sense of security and get you into more bother.

Why?

Martial arts are fine if your fighting another martial artist, in a nice big space, and there are rules and etiquette. Some guy breaking into your house isn't going to follow these rules, you living room isn't a dojo
in reality mr bad guy would just run at you, bundle you onto the ground and give you a good kicking, that roundhouse kick that looks so good on tv means you just busted your foot kicking the living room wall.

In my dojo we had 2 very good blackbelts, they won a scholarship to study in japan as they had reached the limit of blackbelt in the uk (4th dan at time iirc) anyway local tv came to interview them, of course all the local chavs saw them on tv, they where spotted in the local shopping centre and both given a good kicking

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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I have started wearing more than just boxers to bed now - due to the apparent rampant crime sweeping across Switzerland.

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Re: How do you protect yourself?

it all depends which martial art you have trained in.... but I do see your point with some martial arts.
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