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Funny I was discussing this with my colleagues the other day, it seems if you want to carry pepperspray you need a permit (it would not surprise me), at least that is what my Swiss colleague told me.
Ive been pulled over with my "bear repellant" before and they did not say anything about it. they did read the back of it so maybe for whatever is used.

If soemone broke inot my house I think they would get the suprise of their life by a 2m tall guy storming at them with a maglite (got the big one )

Ive been face to face once in the USA as I walked in from the bar at 2.30 and he was right there in front of me as I opened the door. The look in his eyes was more scared that the surprise in mine. still not a pleasant experience though.
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Old 16.08.2011, 11:40
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I've said this before (and been groaned at lots for it too) but learning martial arts will (generally) do you no good at all, if anything it will give you a false sense of security and get you into more bother.
I second that. I (used to) train Muay Thai which is a very straight-forward stand up technique that aims to hurt, not look fancy. But in any real life situation it's all about quick reflexes, surprise and brawling, weight and muscles DO matter. Unless, like you said, they train with 80+ kg guys that simply run them over, any sparring in self defence classes are likely of no good at all in a real life situation. Pepper spray is still good advice, know how to use it though and practice. Get the more potent one and use it very liberally.
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Old 16.08.2011, 11:56
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I second that. I (used to) train Muay Thai
i used to be class mates with Julie Kitchen, she is doing well for herself after only a few years in the sport
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I have lived here a while (21 years), I weigh 118 Kg and am 1m 88 tall, so I am quite a big bloke. I have been attacked 3 times here by 3 Swiss aquaintances (Each time requiring medical treatment) and now I have bought a Taser from,
https://www.securicount.fr/shop/cate...aram=cid%3D%26

I think I would rather be fined for carrying a dangerous weapon than attacked a fourth time, and possibly more severely. The one I have has a safety switch worked by a cord on my wrist. If the Taser is pulled away from me it is automatically switched off, and so cannot be used against me.

I used to work as a guard at the US embassy. We did self defence courses and used police strength riot gas when training inside the Embassy grounds! The US security wanted us to be armed but the Swiss police disagreed, but allowed the use of riot gas.

I don't like the pepper sprays as you have to be careful which direction you spray it. It can also take a few seconds for the criminal to react, during which time he can get the canister off you, or twist it round to your face. I am firmly with the Taser group, if you avoid organs and the head you won't kill the attacker, but just a second burst on the thigh will bring him down immediately. And then you can decide whether to run or give him 2 seconds on the other thigh and walk away.
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Old 16.08.2011, 12:16
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

Nic, i'm not sure if you are out with kids or not, but the defence I teach mine is: run(!)
And dont be scared to hurt grown-ups. If someone is about to drag you into a car, you're allowed to kick them in the goolies. We also practice getting out of a strong persons grip. Then Run and Scream! (They're good at that). Confidence is often a good defence.

Recently we had a pepper-spray incident in our quiet little village too, so illegal or not, it seem available, if you feel you "need" it.

How to defend myself when alone, i dont worry as much about, as when I am alone with the kids at night. The police in our area offer to look at your place to show you where burglars would be most likely to break in, if you wish to ask for their services, and give you advice as to what you can do to help prevent this.

Let them take your stuff- its just stuff. They're not going to take your photos..
Make sure your people are safe.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

"I have been attacked 3 times here by 3 Swiss aquaintances"

You do have a way with people, don't you?

Reg. martial arts, my feelings are mixed: while the results won't be like in Chuck Norris movies, it's still good to know some pain points and some techniques to hit them, as well as some techniques for twisting body parts. These might be REALLY useful in close quarters, giving you at least a chance to break free and run away.
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I don't have a pepperspray or an army knife. Knowing me I would probably spray myself with it instead of the attacker. I just make sure to stay out of strange places and never walk around alone at night.

I live on the ground floor. Doors are locked at all times. Terrace door has heavy wooden blinds (old apartment) they cannot get trough without making a he** of a noise and kitchen and bathroom windows have metal bars in front of them. And worse case scenario I have a set of sharp kitchen knives my mum gave me...

*knockonwood* nothing has ever happened and I've been living there for 3 years now. Except for drunk neighbour that rang my doorbell at 7 am.
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Old 16.08.2011, 14:09
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Wait, are owning tasers legal here??

If so, I really want to get one and taser anyone stopping to chat with their friends right in the middle of the street.
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Wait, are owning tasers legal here??

If so, I really want to get one and taser anyone stopping to chat with their friends right in the middle of the street.
dont thinks its legal. exept u have a permission from your work or a verry strong rason to apply for a taser
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Old 16.08.2011, 14:41
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Reg. martial arts, my feelings are mixed: while the results won't be like in Chuck Norris movies, it's still good to know some pain points and some techniques to hit them, as well as some techniques for twisting body parts. These might be REALLY useful in close quarters, giving you at least a chance to break free and run away.
Life doesn't happen like the movies or TV. Military, martial arts, bodyguard and police training (BTDT), all say keep your adversary at a distance... and how much thought have you given to your close combat intruder being HIV positive? ...or that he might be armed and is likely far more experienced in such situations than you are? Generally a pro intruder's first reaction when discovered is to GTFO to take up his profession another day.

If you want an appropriate means of defense, don't reach for the knives, you are more likely to get cut yourself. In closed quarters pepper spray is as likely to affect you, yours, your dogs and cats as much or less than the intruder. Tasers require thorough training in their application or they are useless. Et cetera ad inifitum.

Possibly grab a broomstick and stab-shove the intruder out the way he came in, if you must play the hero, but you have no property in your abode that is worth risking life and limb for.

If you don't have control of a situation and your adversary is directly threatening you and/or yours, lock yourself in a room and call the police.
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Old 16.08.2011, 14:46
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dont thinks its legal. exept u have a permission from your work or a verry strong rason to apply for a taser
People stopping in the middle of the streets to do 3 kisses, with no regard for other pedestrains, causing you to bump into them isnt a strong enough reason?

hrrrmph!
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Wait, are owning tasers legal here??

If so, I really want to get one and taser anyone stopping to chat with their friends right in the middle of the street.
I made research to clarify your comment:

Answer it can be legal, if you have a licence:

Tazzers are considered a weapon (official term) (art.4 -E of the law):

e. les appareils produisant des électrochocs susceptibles d’inhiber la force de
résistance de l’être humain ou de porter durablement atteinte à sa santé;


And:
You need to have a licence to carry it in public.

Art. 2784
Port d’armes
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Toute personne qui porte une arme dans un lieu accessible au public ou qui transporte une arme doit être titulaire d’un permis de port d’armes

There's some exceptions like when you get it back from the shop, you moving flats, etc...


Source:
http://www.admin.ch/ch/f/rs/c514_54.html


But to be honest, I spent 20minutes browsing that law, I haven't seen any reference against "having a tazzer in your private flat" or using a "tazzer in your private property". It all seems related to public usage and the "interdiction" only concerns guns, grenades, etc...

As far as it's purchased in Switzerland it seems fine (otherwise one needs to do some actions to have that electric weapon legally accepted).
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People stopping in the middle of the streets to do 3 kisses, with no regard for other pedestrains, causing you to bump into them isnt a strong enough reason?

hrrrmph!


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forget bats etc etc a big maglight is better, you could get in trouble using to bat to well... batter someone as it shows pre -meditation , but using a torch to look around at night in your apartment......
Quite true I have a double D maglite (yes it is a torch) in the bed room, suprisingly heavy (with batteries) and you have room to swing it unlike a baseball bat...(which is in the lounge)..also using the bathroom as safe room is always a good thing...most places have locks on internal doors so adding another to the bathroom door may not be so difficult. Plus you can keep flushing the toilet all night until someone in the flat gets annoyed and comes to shout at you...
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Old 16.08.2011, 15:56
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I have no comment on this thread, coz they took all my stuff a few weeks ago!!

But I did learn from it, and now close the windows and lock doors even if I pop out for five minutes.

One of my neighbours installed a security camera a few days ago (our main front door is broken) and that makes me feel a bit better. We have problems with the clients of the "Massage" parlour on the third floor.

Maybe I should put a poster on the door "Nothing left to steal here, please go next door", where the guy looks like a rugby player...
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My husband is away quite often.
Why not find yourself a nice toyboy
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Old 16.08.2011, 17:08
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Why not find yourself a nice toyboy
I have a feeling that wouldn't wash with my husband...

"Hello dear, look I've installed a new security system for whilst your away; his name is Pedro"

He'd be just as likely to come back with "look dear I've found a new cook, housekeeper and bedwarmer for when I'm away..."
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Re: How do you protect yourself?

I think it is important to clarify what exactly you want to protect.
Are you talking about protecting your life, your possessions or your virtue?

If you want to protect your life more than anything, then compliance or escape is often the most efficient, although a well aimed pepperspray (or crotch kick) might allow that escape. Getting a swiss army knife/gun/whatever is more likely to get someone killed or maimed than anything else.

Another option is to make a saferoom (the bathroom or bedroom would be good for this), and let the thieves have whatever they want, while not being able to access you, while you are dialing the swiss equivalent of 911.

If fear is the problem (and not protection) then you might go about it differently, and try to change your view of the world. Living in fear is no fun, and a knife will most probably not make you feel safer, if you fear the world.

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I used to own a gun back in the US. I always kept it locked, and kept the key in a completely different room. I figured, if ever a time came that I actually needed to use the gun, I wouldn't have time to get the key and then unluck the gun and then shoot the bastard fast enough.

So then I started keeping the gun unlocked. But that made me fearful that if there was an intruder, he or she could shoot me with my own gun!

So I sold it.
why didn't you just keep it loaded and under your bed?
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