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Sadly a weekly occurence in London
Since when do husbands shoot their wives in London on a weekly occurence?
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Old 16.08.2011, 16:13
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Sadly a weekly occurence in London
I'll translate: "Why oh why oh why do I live in Geneva? If I pretend everywhere else is worse, at every random opportunity including non relevant threads, I will feel better".

Question is: Does it work?
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Old 16.08.2011, 16:16
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

Very sad case. Most people who are murdered are murdered by acquintances and "loved" ones not by some random stranger (though in this case it seems both happened)
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I'll translate: "Why oh why oh why do I live in Geneva? If I pretend everywhere else is worse, at every random opportunity including non relevant threads, I will feel better".

Question is: Does it work?
Just could be.
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But what can we do ? Crime happens. The culprit has killed two persons and in a way has destroyed his own life.
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Capital punishment (no groans please)!
Capital punishment is ok but deportation not ? But in all honesty, I feel this is a classic case of a guy who should have been arrested and deported a long time ago as a known case to authorities. He testified that he shot the social worker because he received too little welfare. He shot his wife because she wanted to divorce after years of domestic abuse. A classic case for immediate deportation in my book, laissez-faire and integration policies don't work with some people.
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Capital punishment is ok but deportation not ? But in all honesty, I feel this is a classic case of a guy who should have been arrested and deported a long time ago as a known case to authorities. He testified that he shot the social worker because he received too little welfare. He shot his wife because she wanted to divorce after years of domestic abuse. A classic case for immediate deportation in my book, laissez-faire and integration policies don't work with some people.
Why are you quesioning me on deportation?
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Capital punishment is ok but deportation not ? But in all honesty, I feel this is a classic case of a guy who should have been arrested and deported a long time ago as a known case to authorities. He testified that he shot the social worker because he received too little welfare. He shot his wife because she wanted to divorce after years of domestic abuse. A classic case for immediate deportation in my book, laissez-faire and integration policies don't work with some people.
I think you will find that he will have to serve a sentence here first for the crime he commited here! Before we just deport him. But ever thought why he did it, what exactly is troubling him? people generally do not go out and kill in cold blood, this guy did. But Why? It is so easy to say dump him where he came from isn't it!
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Old 16.08.2011, 16:48
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Capital punishment is ok but deportation not ? But in all honesty, I feel this is a classic case of a guy who should have been arrested and deported a long time ago as a known case to authorities. He testified that he shot the social worker because he received too little welfare. He shot his wife because she wanted to divorce after years of domestic abuse. A classic case for immediate deportation in my book, laissez-faire and integration policies don't work with some people.
I disagree on the deportation.

What happened? the guy did not "snap" - his (Swiss) lady told him she will end the relationship, he attacked her with a knife. Swiss authorities banned him from speaking with her. He went back to Kosovo to get a gun and plan the murder. During that time, he called his ex and threatened her (and breaking the Swiss injunction in this way). He came back to Switzerland and since the police were looking for him, he volunteerely went there with his lawyer to discuss the threats he made. The police lets him go, he kills two people. He admits the crime.

In short is the crime a Swiss matter. I agree to send international gangs back their homeland to let the society that produced them pay the costs. This guys was not some professional stealing cars, but an individual case of a family drama. Which was entirely Swiss and I see a very tragic role with the police who did not arrest him after he had attacked the wife with a knife, broke the injunction and made multiple death threats. What does a guy with a violent past who is known for be agressive and dangerous actually need to do to get arrested here?

Blaming the deaths entirely on his culture and passport is wrong. It's the police's job to deal with threats, they had all facts and miserably failed to do so. With a tragic outcome. I cannot blame the individual cop as I do not know who has what rights and tasks in the Swiss legal system... but the problem is that I cannot file this case as "tragic, will happen again": All indicators were there and it was possible to prevent it.
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Old 16.08.2011, 19:22
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

All around the world, too many violented women finish like this poor one. And sadly, too often it is the police who lacked to properly protect the victims.
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Old 19.08.2011, 13:38
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

Another dreadful event last night, a man shot and killed his ex-girlfriend and himself on the balcony of her apartment in Baden, leaving three girls without a mother.
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