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Old 15.08.2011, 22:45
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Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

Pfaeffikon, ZH is normally a quiet town with not much going on...but today was different. A man shot his wife because she wanted to leave him!!! He then went on to shoot someone in the Germinde!

I am truely shocked! I have only lived here 6 weeks so you can imagine I am feeling a bit weird about it all.
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Old 15.08.2011, 22:58
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffkon

What a terrible tragedy. Switzerland is usually quite safe and in this case, it was a family drama that also involved an employee of the social services department.


http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/sto...ingt--10526019
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Our post,am was on TV he saw it. The poor lady in the Germinde died this afternoon
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What a terrible tragedy. Switzerland is usually quite safe and in this case, it was a family drama that also involved an employee of the social services department.


http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/sto...ingt--10526019
That crime also happens in peaceful small towns



was THE general topic of Agatha Christie. And right she was with her Miss Marple and St. Mary Mead. I particularily feel with that 48-years old lady of the "Gemeinde" and her family and her friends.

But what can we do ? Crime happens. The culprit has killed two persons and in a way has destroyed his own life.
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But what can we do ? Crime happens. The culprit has killed two persons and in a way has destroyed his own life. [/QUOTE]

Capital punishment (no groans please)!
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But what can we do ? Crime happens. The culprit has killed two persons and in a way has destroyed his own life.
Capital punishment (no groans please)![/QUOTE]

And what good would result out of the death penalty ?
Would the death penalty bring people back to life ?
Can you kill a person two-times ?

In short, capital punishment simply is absolute and total rubbish
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Not exactly. Sometimes if the repercussions of an act may prove to be adequate deterrent.
Is not fail same, is not correct possibly but hey if it works a majority of the times.. so be it.

Edit.. here the deterrent need not be necessarily capital punishment, I believe there may be other avenues to but I think it might come across as a very strong deterrent.
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon

I can understand your feeling. I moved in 2002 to Waukesha (near Milwaukee) and in the second night a 15 year old girl get shot just 2 blocks from my apartment! Grusselig!
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Not exactly. Sometimes if the repercussions of an act may prove to be adequate deterrent.
Is not fail same, is not correct possibly but hey if it works a majority of the times.. so be it.

Edit.. here the deterrent need not be necessarily capital punishment, I believe there may be other avenues to but I think it might come across as a very strong deterrent.
Violence is never a solution.
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Not exactly. Sometimes if the repercussions of an act may prove to be adequate deterrent.
Is not fail same, is not correct possibly but hey if it works a majority of the times.. so be it.

Edit.. here the deterrent need not be necessarily capital punishment, I believe there may be other avenues to but I think it might come across as a very strong deterrent.
No, the capital punishment is NOT a deterrent but a kind of public revenge. Otherwise, crime in Europe would be much higher up then in the USA but it is not. And I think you have to take a stand. Or, to put it in the words of Helmut Schmidt "der Rechtsstaat ist unteilbar" (the law-state is undivisible)
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon

I stand corrected partially
Crime Causes
lists possible causes for a crime.
US has an abundance of all causes as opposed to Europe

However deterrents are definitely a very useful tool
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No, the capital punishment is NOT a deterrent but a kind of public revenge. Otherwise, crime in Europe would be much higher up then in the USA but it is not.
Oh, nonsense. You're assuming all other things to be equal, such as the various factors that cause the crime. You can't simply compare the two and call it proof one way or the other.

In any case, let's not turn this into another CP discussion, but rather keep on the topic of the crime itself.

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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

We can all assume what we want, but none of us know what was going on this guy's head that made him snap. I heard a radio interview with a neighbor that knew the perpetrator and he said that the guy had been violent for as long as he had known him, but you'd never know that it would end up like this.

Point being, at some point Mr. Kosovar thought that he could best remedy his internal strife by executing a couple of people that he thought were troubling his life. Now as warped and perverse as we might find this, we cannot use reason or logic to prevent this happening again, period. Random acts of violence (especially involving close family members) cannot be foreseen and that's what makes their effect so shocking.

File under "It will happen again, but we don't know when". Tragic.
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File under "It will happen again, but we don't know when". Tragic.[/QUOTE]

Here here...
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I had heard from a colleague that this shooter was a Kosovar immigrant.

Now I'm wondering how his actions will lend support to the anti-immigrant movement and impact the various expat communities.
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Now I'm wondering how his actions will lend support to the anti-immigrant movement and impact the various expat communities.[/QUOTE]

Only living in Pfäffikon a short while, I can tell you they are not keen on immigrants My partner is Swiss, but has lived out of Switzerland for the last 10 years due to travel and work. He speaks Swiss but I guess has lost his accent slightly. One day whilst walking the dogs, a man on our street started grumbling some random abuse at my partner for being and I quote 'Italian scum'. Needless to say my partner put him staright and reeled off his life story in anger. The man soon shut up and walked off!

We see him a lot and he still grumbles under his breath.

So yes when this happened yesterday my fisrt thought was 'oh no this is going to cause an anti-immigration issue'
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Re: Shooting in Pfaeffikon ZH

The sad fact of the matter is that people like that exist and where and when they turn up is unknown. Sometimes it just happens to have the most tragic of outcomes.

I also believe that to blame it on immigrants "flooding the country" is a bit of an over-reaction because you can't paint the lot with the same brush. Sure its logical to do this to improve your sense of "sencurity", but at the expense of a whole bunch of people who are just trying honestly and earnestly to improve their situation. I dunno, it kinda seems harsh to me. But maybe that is because I know what its like to have a society label you something you aren't just because a bunch of bad eggs share your heritage.
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Only living in Pfäffikon a short while, I can tell you they are not keen on immigrants My partner is Swiss, but has lived out of Switzerland for the last 10 years due to travel and work. He speaks Swiss but I guess has lost his accent slightly. One day whilst walking the dogs, a man on our street started grumbling some random abuse at my partner for being and I quote 'Italian scum'. Needless to say my partner put him staright and reeled off his life story in anger. The man soon shut up and walked off!

We see him a lot and he still grumbles under his breath.

So yes when this happened yesterday my fisrt thought was 'oh no this is going to cause an anti-immigration issue'[/QUOTE]

I spent some time living in an east anglian village where you were treated as an outsider if 3/4 granparents were not from the village and the 4th was from further than a morning's walk away. Some people there had not even been to the local market town more than a few times a year.

Believe me these places exist everywhere....
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Sadly a weekly occurence in London
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But what can we do ? Crime happens. The culprit has killed two persons and in a way has destroyed his own life.
Capital punishment (no groans please)![/QUOTE] Shouldn't really come out with CP then say no groans
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