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Someone who comes into your home and mops the floors I would say is not normal.
Indeed. Even my own German OCD hyper-clean mother wouldn't do that. You have to wonder what she'd do in a house with at least one child under 5. I gave up stressing over the handprints everywhere since it's task only for sisyphus.
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It's probably fair to say that restaurants here, as anywhere else in the world, have a fairly wide variance in hygiene....although I will say that this is the only place I've watched an un-gloved person handle food, wipe his nose with the back of his hand, touch money, touch food again, etc. Not that it doesn't happen elsewhere, I'm sure, but when it's inches away from your nose it provokes a sort of visceral reaction that invites doubt everywhere.
You probably wouldn't have eaten in the company restaurant where I worked years ago then.

They never wore gloves and one server in particular was rather slapdash to say the least.
They used to serve food then handle money then back to food and on one particular occasion she dropped a pound coin into the bowl of custard. She then proceeded to stick her ungloved hand into the (hot) custard to retrieve said coin but in so doing she lost her sticking plaster (one of those blue ones used in food prep areas) in the custard. She then fished around for a while to retrieve it before calmly offered custard to the next person in line. Needless to say evervbody declined the custard on that particular day.

My house falls into the lived in category but it is clean.
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One of my former colleagues (back in England) was married to a vicar.

He visited the house of one of the families with children in our school. He walked in, was offered a cup of tea and sat down on the sofa. When it squelched, he declined the offer of tea, stayed for as long as it took to perform his pastoral duties, and left.

When my house is in a state, I comfort myself with the thought that at least my sofa doesn't squelch.
In the UK I had to regularly visit people's homes as part of my job. I have often stuck to carpets, almost trod on cat/dog poo, come close to throwing up because of the smell, had to clear a path through rubbish on the floor, and learned through bitter experience never to kneel on the floor when someone in the household is incontinent. I have to say though I visited many lovely clean homes in case people are thinking all UK homes are stinky.
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I think the term "OCD" is being bandied about a bit loosely here. It's a debilitating psychological condition.

Today's "OCD" seems to be the new trendy name for yesteryear's "house-proud".
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I think the term "OCD" is being bandied about a bit loosely here. It's a debilitating psychological condition.

Today's "OCD" seems to be the new trendy name for yesteryear's "house-proud".
No no, I am OCD. But I am now into control! I used to be much worst and I learned to let it go. But if something bugs me, I will have a hell of a hard time to not take care of it.

Living with flatmates helped me a lot to ''heal'' LOL
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Sorry no, the plate rinsing was not me.

UK clean is above French & slightly below German which is way below Swiss clean.

1. Biological research facility
2. Swiss operating theatre
3. Swiss kitchen
4. Swiss bathroom
5. Swiss restaurant
6. German home
7. Scandinavian home
8. UK home
9. Homes in rest of Europe
All the Italian homes I've been in were mauch cleaner than most Uk homes. After every meal my female relatives put all the chairs up on the tables and sweep and mop. The floors gleam, nothing is out of place in kitchen - even with the tonnes of food that they make. I think this is a bit extreme but they have been doing it their whole lives and have it worked into their schedule so they make it look very easy.
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Old 18.08.2011, 10:16
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Not that I've dined out that much, but when I have, there have been moments of...er...wondering just how dubious the food safety might be.

It's probably fair to say that restaurants here, as anywhere else in the world, have a fairly wide variance in hygiene....although I will say that this is the only place I've watched an un-gloved person handle food, wipe his nose with the back of his hand, touch money, touch food again, etc. Not that it doesn't happen elsewhere, I'm sure, but when it's inches away from your nose it provokes a sort of visceral reaction that invites doubt everywhere.
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Yeah, this explains why the first time I ate out here I got some nasty intestinal bug because no one who works in food service here wears gloves. You think maybe they didn't wash their hands under the gamma ray source that all Swiss restaurants have?
I've read someplace that whether gloves are worn or not makes little difference in the over-all cleanliness of a food environment and actually, it CAN be worse.

Gloves used to protect the user from the public is a great idea (as goes with use of gloves in medical environments) and to protect others from catching an "easily" transmitted disease you may have (a coworker with hep-c had to wear gloves the entire time she was working in the lab due to the lab conditions) is also a great idea. As a means to keep from spreading germs at point A to point B (deli counter to money and back again) is worse than useless as folks actually tend to wash their hands LESS if they're wearing gloves.


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Old 18.08.2011, 10:29
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Re: Rude guest

oh dear, sounds exactly like my mum.

When I first invited her over to my new apartment to stay for the weekend, which I thought was in pristine condition (and I consider myself very houseproud), she wrinkled her nose but said nothing. The next morning, when I got up, the entire lounge area was IMMACULATE and spotless. Was like a scene out of a Home & Garden magazine - not a single thing out of place or a spot of dust on the surfaces. It smelt lovely and fresh...and then she walked in the door with breakfast...

Mums really do know how to make you feel bad about your cooking and cleaning skills dont they?
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Old 18.08.2011, 10:33
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oh dear, sounds exactly like my mum.

When I first invited her over to my new apartment to stay for the weekend, which I thought was in pristine condition (and I consider myself very houseproud), she wrinkled her nose but said nothing. The next morning, when I got up, the entire lounge area was IMMACULATE and spotless. Was like a scene out of a Home & Garden magazine - not a single thing out of place or a spot of dust on the surfaces. It smelt lovely and fresh...and then she walked in the door with breakfast...

Mums really do know how to make you feel bad about your cooking and cleaning skills dont they?
if she needs a place to stay, i've got an empty apartment she can live in for free
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Old 18.08.2011, 10:35
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My mum still remembers this conversation from more than 30 years ago:

She was visiting a friend who was a housewife and one ot those types who will scrub floors daily with a toothbrush and irons and colorcodes all socks. Friend's mother-in-law was there and started praising my mother's career and achievements.

The friend listened with a cats-bum mouth, finally could not resist and blurted out: "But ..you should see what her house looks like!"
The mother-in-law wanted to smooth it out and said that well it can't really be that dirty..
to which the friend replied "Well yes, it is!"

(no, it wasn't really. just wasn't sterile).

For some reason, they still stayed friends with this woman but her visits were forwever referred to as "Hygiene and Cleanliness Authority Inspections".
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I've read someplace that whether gloves are worn or not makes little difference in the over-all cleanliness of a food environment and actually, it CAN be worse.

Gloves used to protect the user from the public is a great idea (as goes with use of gloves in medical environments) and to protect others from catching an "easily" transmitted disease you may have (a coworker with hep-c had to wear gloves the entire time she was working in the lap due to the lab conditions) is also a great idea. As a means to keep from spreading germs at point A to point B (deli counter to money and back again) is worse than useless as folks actually tend to wash their hands LESS if they're wearing gloves.


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And if they don't remove the gloves before handling the money and put them on again before touching food then the problem remains the same.
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Today's "OCD" seems to be the new trendy name for yesteryear's "house-proud".
Oh, my mother would have been diagnosed had she ever bothered to consider herself as crazy. All of my siblings have shades of OCD behavior, some as bad as my mother. I have it, too, but to a much lesser degree which doesn't really say much as have a hard time occupying a space with a mess machine that a 4yo is and working hard at not stressing out.
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They invited a Swiss married couple over for an evening meal, and on entering the apartment the female guest remarked that the apartment was just not clean enough! She then took her coat off, found the mop and bucket, and cleaned the floors. My girl friend just stood there with mouth open, she just could not believe this was happening!
Can I invite them as well? My floors sure could use some mopping, and a bit of oven scrubbing wouldn't hurt either :-).
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This happened 30 years ago, but after reading some recent threads I can see it might happen again.

My girl friend is British, and by UK standards she is clean! About 30 years ago she was freshly married to a Swiss man and living in Solothurn.

They invited a Swiss married couple over for an evening meal, and on entering the apartment the female guest remarked that the apartment was just not clean enough! She then took her coat off, found the mop and bucket, and cleaned the floors. My girl friend just stood there with mouth open, she just could not believe this was happening!

The next day her husband tells his mother what happened and she replied "Oh the shame she has brought on our family...!"
What do you mean 'by UK standards'?
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What do you mean 'by UK standards'?
That has been answered earlier. The OP is not knocking the UK
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That has been answered earlier. The OP is not knocking the UK
We're not all scrubbers in the UK
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What do you mean 'by UK standards'?

I think the term is used more to describe what is "normal" clean vs "Swiss" clean. (In my experience, for some - namely my landlady - there isn't much difference between "Swiss clean" and "able to pass military inspection clean" )
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The Swiss, as well as keeping their rifles at home to be instantly ready to repell an invasion, must also keep their drawing room clinically clean in case there is need to open an ad-hoc military hospital.

In fact, if you are injured in an accident and require surgery then you have the right to knock on the nearest door and have your injuries treated there. The costs for this will be paid by your mandatory health insurance. This is useful to know when you want to avoid an 800 CHF ambulance ride.

When there is a surgeon present then the householder will hang a reverse red cross flag somewhere on the building.
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While babysitting my neighbor's little boy I brought out a plate of cookies as a snack. As he was eating he dropped a cookie on the floor, which then shattered into crumbs.

The little tyke immediately jumped up shouting "Versorge! Versorge!", ran to get a dustbuster and quickly vacumed up the crumbs.


He was three years old.


They start 'em early here, don't they?
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