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Re: smoking in public areas

Well, that just proves people are all different and perceive things in different ways. You don't smoke, I do - but that does not make me a lesser person, or you a better one.
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Well, that just proves people are all different and perceive things in different ways. You don't smoke, I do - but that does not make me a lesser person, or you a better one.
And in no way have I at any point suggested such a thing.
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It's not always feasible to sit inside. The restaurant could be full (if it's a good restaurant, this will happen quite often).

I know most smokers are not selfish, but sometimes you just wonder. I do like to sit inside when I can so I don't have my expensive meal ruined by smoke, but when its not possible, it's just infuriating.

Does it not ruin your own meal when you smoke in between courses?
If I see that a restaurant permits smoking inside, I don't eat there. And if I'm eating outside, and the restaurant permits smoking outside, then I don't eat there.

Simple economics.
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If I see that a restaurant permits smoking inside, I don't eat there. And if I'm eating outside, and the restaurant permits smoking outside, then I don't eat there.

Simple economics.
Ideally this would be the idea. However when we're going with my gf's parents we don't really have a choice.

That and, in this area there don't seem to be many (not that I've seen yet) that forbid smoking outside on the terrace.
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Old 18.08.2011, 19:39
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I find that fascinating. I know it effects the way I taste food when someone starts smoking near me
If you're a smoker, you don't taste the food as well anyway, so having a smoke between courses doesn't ruin anything.

If you're an ex smoker, you notice a HUGE difference.

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Ideally this would be the idea. However when we're going with my gf's parents we don't really have a choice.

That and, in this area there don't seem to be many (not that I've seen yet) that forbid smoking outside on the terrace.

That's why people think I'm a bit of a prick. If I'm out with a group and they suggest a place, I will openly say "NO". Sorry. it's my health. I'm not eating there. Bon apetite!
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Old 18.08.2011, 19:44
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in this area there don't seem to be many (not that I've seen yet) that forbid smoking outside on the terrace.
That's because it's ALLOWED!

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That's because it's ALLOWED!

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That's not really the point, is it?

It was allowed to smoke inside restaurants for years across Europe, but they still offered non smoking rooms before they were made to by law.
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Old 18.08.2011, 19:52
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Common courtesy again- even if it is allowed to smoke outside- surely anybody with any manners will not smoke when somebody is eating at the same or next table. I don't know of a single smoker who would do this, and yet I've got friends who smoke like chimneys.
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Old 18.08.2011, 20:04
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My son (5) has well understood our explanations about smoke being bad for the health.

Thus, when someone starts smoking next to him in a public place, he usually goes straight to him, and asks " why you smoke? It's dangerous for you you know?" in a serious and slightly worried voice the face of the smoker is quite a sight, believe me!

My 4 year old does the same thing!! lol LOVE it!! I hate the smell of cigarettes/cigars. This is actually one of my biggest worries about moving to CH. I get an awful headache around the smoke and it can ruin my day out. Maybe it'll get better over time. It's so odd to me that the Swiss are so healthy in lots of ways, but yet have out of control smoking :-/
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Old 18.08.2011, 20:06
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Sadly, when courtesy passed, not many people were there to receive it (independantly of the topic, of course). So those who didn't herit courtesy and smoke, won't change with a cig in their hand.

If everybody was caring for each other, no one would have made rules like the smoking ban. It wouldn't have been necessary.

I like the way they made the ban in Canada. You can't smoke in public place that serve food, and that include terrasses. You can smoke outside a 10 meters radius of the eating place. Same for entrances. You can't smoke in a door, you have to be away from it to I don't know how many meters...

You do a ban, you do it well. It is no point to forbid someone to smoke inside but allowed him to smoke at the door... Where the smoke is going? inside.

I don't mind if people want to smoke inside, but organise a glass box where they can do it in, without freezing their butt in winter.
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Old 18.08.2011, 20:10
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That's not really the point, is it?
Actually, it IS the point!

Who gives a crap what "Europeans" do or did.

We are not the EU (THANK GOD)

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Actually, it IS the point!

Who gives a crap what "Europeans" do or did.

We are not the EU (THANK GOD)

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Well I was referring to the continent of Europe (which, being in Switzerland, we are most definitely in.)

Again, I'm fine that you disagree and I hope that you can accept that without the need for shouting and/or swearing again in the future.
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Old 18.08.2011, 20:26
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Re: smoking in public areas

This all really interesting, but I think we'll find that, say, in 15 years or so, smoking will be a thing of the past in all publicly accessible areas.

The thing I can't figure out is why people smoke. If someone actually had a reason to smoke which made sense, I would actually try and be a little more tolerant.

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Cancer causing
Smell
Cost
Creates unnecessary litter
Numbs sense of taste and smell
Damages unborn children
Stains teeth, skin and premises
Addictive habit
Cool image encourages kids to start

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Um, that would be a "zero" then

If anyone is willing to defend any other addictions, then at least tell us what's so great about the effects that you experience and if they're worth the health risks and damage they cause.
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Again, I'm fine that you disagree and I hope that you can accept that without the need for shouting and/or swearing again in the future.
Please excuse him, he's American. (But he believes that getting a small red book made him Swiss...)
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Re: smoking in public areas

[QUOTE=Belgianmum;1305897]

I just wish they could have smoking and non smoking areas outside cafes and restaurants so that the non smokers amongst us can enjoy the outdoors too.[/QUOTE]

And in winter will you non-smokers still want to enjoy the great outdoors?
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Old 18.08.2011, 21:25
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Umm, if smokers die EARLIER, then they cost LESS, no?

So, smokers pay much more taxes, die earlier, and this costs MORE?

Clearly, you have never studied accounting!

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Old 18.08.2011, 21:28
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Umm, if smokers die EARLIER, then they cost LESS, no?

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They wish!

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This all really interesting, but I think we'll find that, say, in 15 years or so, smoking will be a thing of the past in all publicly accessible areas.

The thing I can't figure out is why people smoke. If someone actually had a reason to smoke which made sense, I would actually try and be a little more tolerant.

Against:
Smokers die earlier
Cancer causing
Smell
Cost
Creates unnecessary litter
Numbs sense of taste and smell
Damages unborn children
Stains teeth, skin and premises
Addictive habit
Cool image encourages kids to start

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Um, that would be a "zero" then

If anyone is willing to defend any other addictions, then at least tell us what's so great about the effects that you experience and if they're worth the health risks and damage they cause.
I think these are the reason why they smokes They are all aware of the fact but it's very difficult to get over with this addiction.

"Habit is stronger than reason." - George Sanayana
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Old 18.08.2011, 21:41
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They wish!

Alas, a reality that the anti-smokers neglect.

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